FoolOfWorms

If you are going to make a post and then not bother defending your point without conceding that you were wrong then why even bother posting a post that you knew was going to cause debate?

I don't know how to explain to you in a way that isn't a condescending waste of both of our time that "unskilled" labor still requires specific physical, emotional, and mental abilities to do well and in a way that will actually pay out. Please, go ahead and post the onlyfans where you, personally, shove an 8 in dragon dildo up your ass if you think otherwise. I mean if its so unskilled that just about anyone could do it, why don't YOU take advantage of it? I mean sure you say its difficult but not difficult enough to warrant respect. You phrase it as though its some sort of minor inconvenience and not a massive commitment that can impact your life in some pretty serious ways, especially if you take it seriously as a source of income. You phrase it as though its something you can just do, as though its not something that requires a lot of confidence and emotional intelligence to not only agree to, but maintain. You phrase it as though you don't need a lot of talent and ability to maintain an audience's attention in a crowd with so many people You also directly said you don't need to train when you can very easily rip your ass if your not careful. its the oldest profession on earth, treat it with a little respect. In case you don't understand what I'm trying to say with the above, you wanna know whats in demand for everyone? Time sure 100 million could theoretically deal with the bullshit of about 100 people coming in and out of a store every single day and having to accept they are working on behalf of people like you, who don't seem to appreciate the fact that the only reason why they are working there in the first place is because not everyone wants to have to dig through boxes to find what they need and figure out what costs what, but that doesn't mean everyone fucking wants to or is emotionally prepared to handle a job that not only pays shit but treats you like shit too. You are talking like there isn't a major labor shortage crisis for a lot of companies. Do you think the labor crisis is because "people just don't wanna work"? A lie that has been propagated by corporate heads as a nothing complaint about their own personal failings as bosses? nah It's because, on average the majority of "unskilled labor" jobs do not carry basic benefits and pay minimum wage, which at this point is well below the cost of living. It's because the majority of companies in the US union bust as much as they possibly can, preventing any sort of change in how much people are paid and what benefits they can have. Its because a large portion of the people who didn't have another option in order to survive, fucking died of covid due to companies pushing the end of quarantine in order to keep up their profits. and don't worry! It is, in no small part, because of people who think unskilled labor isn't important and valuable enough to properly compensate, which sounds like something you are saying. You can't agree to terms you are born into. Nor can you meaningfully agree to terms that cause you to starve to death if you do not comply. You can't tell me people "choose" to work 3 minimum wage jobs when their alternative was to let their children go hungry while they try and find a way to train for a better one. Unskilled jobs are jobs that need doing. Just because more people can do them doesn't mean they don't need doing and doing right. PAYING PEOPLE is a good way to make sure of that. Fucking taxing them is a good way to make sure you not only get no porn, but make every sex worker AND minimum wage worker fucking hate you if they ever find out you think like this.

I do not believe it is controversial to say that the majority of first world nations today are in no small part ran by corporations and politicians working on behalf of corporations. In second and third world nations, it can be even worse, and the bigger they get the more they will try to strip away any protections modern nations have against their further monopolization and exploitation of people, nature, and the world at large. The majority of current global catastrophes looming over us are being pushed by corporations in some way, whether it be the continued mass deforestation of the worlds major forests, hesitation in many nations to move away from fossil fuels and plastics, or even the expedited quarantine procedures that left covid free to make the world sick while even the WHO pretend like nothing is happening. All of this in the name of short term profits with little regard for long term consequences. After all, the people making the most money probably wont be alive by the time they are held responsible for ruining everything. So what is one to do? Well, for one, document the actions and crimes of the worlds biggest conglomerates so we do not forget their crimes. That is what this thread is primarily for. I probably wont be updating it constantly since I am busy as of current and can be forgetful, so feel free to present findings if anyone desires to. Two, discuss the idea of a solution. What can we do, either as individuals or as a society to prevent our nations be sold to the highest bidder and reign in the damage caused by rampant, unrestrained capitalism.

I take some issue with how this is phrased, largely in that you don't seem to think these people have skills or talent in their field. Do you think just about anyone can make a decent living on sex work? If so, I have to tell you that this is incorrect. also, why do you think that pornography is a bubble? Do you think in some future down the line (that I personally do not wish to be a part of) that it will be banned or not as profitable to make people sexually aroused? Your entire premise is predicated upon the idea that sex work is not in any way valuable and that it will eventually be replaced, somehow. Please clarify so I don't think you are just being a weird puritanical sexist, I really do not wanna make that assumption.

This is why I mention other non-train related forms of public transit, primarily buses which can go a lot of places trains can't nor shouldn't due population density, or more specifically, the lack thereof. The problem is that, from my experiences in America at least, unless you are a child, buses are not readily convenient sources of transportation in small towns where they would be the most useful way to travel without a car. And to reiterate; I'm not 100% against the concept of the personal vehicle whatsoever. Some places, you NEED a car because of just how isolated it is, and if you can afford one it is very convenient if you need to go somewhere specific and don't wanna schedule or check time tables. My problem is primarily with road based infrastructure where the pedestrian is given lower priority and make it borderline impossible to get anywhere unless you have 4 wheels. A car shouldn't be another thing on top of food, water and shelter every single person needs in order to survive and live a happy life, when we already struggle with providing the latter to everyone.

Wow you must be fun at parties. One must yet again question the purpose of even being here if you don't have anything to contribute in this conversation and don't even think it matters.

I'll admit I skimmed a bit, since I'm not writing a college paper, but from what I can tell from several different sources I can confirm that yes, a high speed rail line is in fact, expensive. I knew that high speed rail lines were expensive, and not all locations need to be connected by high speed rails to begin with, first of all. Most trains that aren't even high speed go as fast as a car on a highway and carry several times the cargo any truck can, which includes human cargo. But in spite of the costs the articles have illuminated a couple of interesting things for me. A high speed rail would be able to reduce a massive traffic issue occurring in Colorado right now that is currently costing about $839 million annually in missed opportunities. The cost isn't primarily in running, but in initial construction cost, and from what I can tell the train would be able to pay for itself if funded through federal grant. From another article The unviability of the rail is currently due to how unreliable the current methods of getting funds are, not inherently in it unprofitability. It also helps to say that the Colorado department of transportation is still perusing this venture instead of abandoning it, which tells me even if it is unviable as of current due to funds its still a venture Colorado is willing to spend millions in seeing if it can work someday soon, which you can call foolish, but then you'd be saying you're smarter than the state of Colorado. Additionally the majority of the department of transportation's budget goes towards primarily automobiles and highway services. In fact, if I'm reading correctly more money is being spent on aviation than all federal transit and railroads. This may sound like a non sequitur but it shows a national focus away from public transit and towards the maintenance of the current system of automobiles and highways, which could be diverted towards the construction of rails. The money for this is there if the federal government really cared, and several other nations have shown the benefit of high speed rail lines like Japan and France.

You could just walk to the store you know. or take a bus, like I said, or a taxi, or if you are close enough to a city maybe the subway or trolley. I understand they aren't given those, and I understand that megacorps are fucked up. The problem is that we already are ran nationally by megacorps anyways and nationalizing public transit and making it a standard isnt going to make them any more or less powerful. I honestly don't know how your point is an argument against the idea that cars should be one of the vehicles a farmer should be expected to work with and therefore should be funded by in part the hiring agent who provides them farming equipment as well. Your criticism is an argument of capitalism in general which I agree is fucked up, but the idea itself isnt bad and isnt argued against here. Why would they be doing year round production? Why do they even need to do planned obsolescence? If the same manufacturer are selling parts for maintenance and such they theoretically wouldn't need to profit from their vehicle sales and could profit from the vehicle repairs and check ups they do regularly. I know the answer and the answer is that it wouldn't be profitable enough for them to remain in business in spite of their products being quality and everyone needing them and, again, this is a problem with capitalism itself preventing products with long life spans being more regularly made because once an individual buys a product that lasts a long time they aren't a customer anymore. The answer is not, however, to allow car manufacturers to implement planned obsolescence or to allow them to destroy the planet with their garbage and ruin our freeways with traffic. And that is either what you seem to be implying or you are stating that there is no way to fix it, and therefore no point in trying which is an idea I fuckin hate, as you personally already know. I'd like a link to that study if you don't mind because I'd like to read it myself [EDIT] Nevermind, ill do your arguing for you just this once since you gave an example, i'll read this article and come back to you, but besides that, I've met multiple people in my life who traded in their vehicles because they are old and they want a new model because it looks nice. Cars are disposable to a lot of regular middle class and upper middle class people. But thats not even my point. My point is that if you went looking for one, finding and buying a new car is absolutely not difficult whatsoever, and even less difficult to find a used one. If car's weren't on some level, disposable, they wouldn't advertise car's on TV all the time. Almost no one in America is going to buy a car as a brand new costumer, because you can't not own a car in America. The majority of people who car manufacturers advertise to are people who already own a car and can buy a new one by trading their old one in. Then why are you here? You came to my thread and made an argument, the burden of proof is up to you to defend your claim. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove your point for you, no matter how mad you are that you disagree with me. My argument is based of clearly observed data like how cities are constantly clogged with traffic, especially major cities like Los Angeles and New York, and I don't care how you spin it, those traffic jams, massive parking lots and record levels of emissions can not, in any way be profitable or good for the nation they are suppose to be supplying. Its a massive problem, it needs a solution, adding more lanes and pretending it isnt a problem isnt going to cut it, so this is my answer, and you aren't providing a good counter argument so far. Which is why I don't disagree with you! I think cars are still important and should be used, but we shouldn't be basing out entire transport structure around them and should try to limit how much it is used as much as possible, and in America this isnt happening whatsoever. And so are trains more than just for moving cargo around eventually. I'm not even really sure what you mean here its kind of unclear to be honest

You barely had an argument to begin with.

If things are at a point where it gets too expensive to buy a car for the smaller communities that just means that communities on the fringes of societies will have to being moving closer to population centers which isn't the worst thing in the world IMO. I kind of want urban sprawl to die down as much as possible if I'm going to be frank, and people who have to work in remote areas like farmers can be given private cars and trucks as machine necessary for work, like how tractors and threshers are. Thats all assuming your point is even correct, which is debatable in of itself considering the amount of people living in remote areas and how important cars would still be by necessity. Like sure it'll probably go up a little because cars would no longer a disposable commodity which cars shouldn't be in the first place, but I kind of doubt the idea that a society not structured around motor vehicles would make any car so unaffordable as to cause problems. I think at most there would be fewer car models and less roads to go down, and that cars would be built to last a long time, not that cars would be rendered so impossibly expensive that people out in the sticks would be abandoned and left to fend for themselves. If anything the fact that you think that is the case and actually a genuine argument against my idea kind of proves how reliant we are on cars and how we desperately need to re-think how much we rely on them? I'd like for you to prove that before saying it if you don't mind. I'm not asking for something as inane as the hyper loop here, trains and railroads have been supplying nations for centuries now, and the move to motor vehicles and asphalt roads haven't really made things any more efficient then we were then from what I can tell, but i'll concede to that fact if you can prove me wrong there.

Since you brought it up in your post? ok look m8, imma be honest with you, you really arent contributing to this conversation constructively. You aren't saying anything or providing resources that can be debated you are just saying you're right because X reason which isn't even true. My logic is that you can apply a democratic/republic model onto cooperatives and corporations but you seem to thing I want total anarchy or something. Your point about a cooperative community size is a non-sequitur that I think its probably born from semantics rather than actually reading the context of the conversation we are having. I WANT people to be leaders and to take charge and do things on behalf of others because I don't think everyone is willing and able to be experienced enough to make political and financial decisions as well thought out as every single one of their piers since thats fucking exhausting. not everyone wants to be a leader and bear the weight of the world on their shoulders, and not everyone has the energy to have an opinion on every little thing that goes on in their community. I just want the CEO/Board of Directors to be elected in the workplace rather than not like we are now, but I'm not asking for complete community cohesion. You seem to think I want an anarchic state of some sort, which has its own success stories in a way but is mostly unrelated to the topic at hand.

Sorry for deleting my previous post, I was wrong about something because of a conflation between to conflicts in the same region, Its kind of embarrassing. Anyways, from what I can tell, the independence of iceland and finland were less peaceful demonstrations by the people trying to bring democracy to their previously monarchical nation and more bureaucratic issues. Iceland and Finland didnt exist as states for a long time before they became independent democracies, and the reason why both were released as democracies were more a result of both states being too cumbersome to handle after their controlling state became too exhausted financially to maintain their territorial claim to sovereignty over the state. Additionally both states were already fairly self governing due to their respective distance and ethnic population density. You could claim this was peaceful in nature but the circumstance seems to imply that the nations that held them previously wouldn't have been able to stop them from declaring independence without asking if they tried to hold on. I wanna segway to another point however and say a big thing this conversation seems to be missing is context. Modern democracy wasn't born in a vacuum, and the United States and France founded a precedent for how to fight for democracy and against monarchism. After those bloody messes the ghost of revolution haunted monarchs for centuries, and as it became apparent they were less and less effective at ruling and the parliament of these nations started stripping more and more of their power away, constitutional democracy kind of became less of a peaceful acceptance of civil representation and more the final compromise between absolutism and getting your head removed from your shoulder. WW1 kind of put the last nail in the coffin for absolute monarchies in Europe, with WW2 being a massive battering ram through any sense autocracy would be taken seriously at all without open disgust in Europe.

Ok first and foremost I'm not going to pretend I'm not biased in this discussion. I hate driving. I live in America where walking is basically defacto illegal, and I hate driving a massive piece of shit hunk of metal fast enough to turn me into red paste as a regular chore to get medicine and groceries. If you live in a nation that actually cares about pedestrians maybe you don't understand my ire, but in America I have to regularly stare at the road for 40 minutes or more to make sure some crackhead doesn't try to peel out on a red light just to go to a walmart, so I have to ask. Why? Why do we have cars? I know a bit of the answer! A very good reason why we have cars is because its expensive and impractical to create multiple rail lines across every settlement in the united states to insure they are being supplied with food and other things they need to live, so cars act as a cheap way to get around and go from one place to another! In theory In practice its ludicrously expensive for everyone who has a car and is probably worse than just making rails everywhere because with rails you can control what goes where and when which means a lot less traffic fundamentally since karen wont be able to buy her own train car to drive to hobby lobby to pick up scented candle and nothing else because she NEED to smell cinnamon while watching days of our lives. And heres another thing, Even with roads, personal vehicles are extremely inefficient considering things like buses exist that do the same thing as a car but with more people? Sure you dont get to pick where you park but if the roads were JUST cargo trucks and JUST buses I can guarantee traffic would drop. And thats only for places that still need roads. If we connect major settlements by rail that would cut down traffic even further because resource distribution and population transit would follow major arteries that can go as fast as they want because its highly scheduled, while minor towns could be supplied through highly controlled road traffic. And in my most radical of dreams this means city traffic could be brought down to near zero since emergency, transport and supply vehicles could just be turned into trams, subway cars, or forklift sized and slow moving single man cars, that are almost completely out of the way of civilian traffic Now I'm not saying that for REALLY small towns or isolated farmsteads a personal car can't be bought for convenience sake, but thats not where the majority of car owners live now is it? So why dont we do this? Why dont we, as a society, have our roads and transit structured around buses and trains instead of personal cars that are almost never at max capacity? Why do we have a multibillion dollar industry devoted to making the common person buy a car that will just end up congesting the road and causing problems, risking the lives of thousands every day by allowing a system that expects every idiot and geriatric to have a license to operate a massive piece of machinery that can punch a hole through a house? I find it absolutely absurd.

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Just because they didnt assassinate anyone didnt mean they weren't prepared to, as many pictures of black panthers holding arms and a certain someone's speech will tell you. We were very lucky the united states were willing to give on this issue, because if it went the way of south Africa things would have burned fast. (you could actually draw parallels to the black panthers and south africa's spear of the nation, especially considering they were founded around the same time) The united states government wouldn't of founded COINTELPRO if they weren't afraid, rightfully, that the civil rights movement and protests would have turned into active rebellion if they didn't compromise to civil equality. Thats not even mentioning other controversial aspects of the peaceful protests themselves, like the children's crusade, which even Malcolm X criticized because it endangered children in order to get publicity.