expertyejin
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Nah I really want this topic locked for good, to me it's such a bondage that I still have to discuss here.
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In light of calls for a cease-fire, I would like to say I am ready to declare a truce. Is @ expertyejin ready for a truce? 100% agree...I even mentioned earlier that I wished an administrator or global moderator could close this thread for good.
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First, Kim Jong-un uses his assets primarily for himself, saying anything different would be a blatant lie. Second, Did I ever say communism was a good system? No, I didn't. Unless you want to claim I did, just like your accusations of US war crimes in the War on Terror, claims that the US is/will become Fascist, that Nationalist China could defeat Japan, and claims of collaboration between the US and communists. You didn't explicitly say communism was good, however it seems to me that you might be defending communists when I talked about their crimes. You were underestimating the scale of their crimes even though I've already provided several sources. And about the fact that Kim Jong-un uses his assets primarily for himself, well clearly he keeps this huge amount of money for himself rather than spending it on agriculture as well as various fields of technology to meet the people's need. Thus if you only blame the famine on removal of foreign aid as opposed to Kim's corrupt regime then you might be trying to defend Kim. Plus why did you all of a sudden shift topic from communism to Nationalist China vs Japan and other stuff?
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That link concerning the assets of Kim Jong-un has no links to resources, and claims to be citing an unspecified source... I wouldn't trust it to tell the truth about the color of the sky. How about this one: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/03/12/2013031201144.html "Chosun" means Korea. Hence, if you claim the Daily News network from Korea is fake then there is really nothing else I have to say to you.
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First, I never said the artificial contribution to the Great Chinese Famine was the only factor; however, just because it wasn't the only factor doesn't mean it was a minor contribution. Second, read this and you'll see that the current North Korean leader Kim Jong-un (him alone, not even the whole extended Kim family) possesses an assets roughly worth $5 billion: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/kim-jong-un-net-worth/ Hence, the fact this huge amount of money is not enough to feed the people of a very tiny country clearly suggests something is wrong with communism and/or the North Korean regime. Third, I was wrong for not having made this point earlier, because I really want to make things fair: I forgot to admit that Stalin did bring some reforms to the USSR when he first took office, such as developing heavy and light industries which were badly left behind because peasants and farmers (well the people in general) were excessively employed as slaves to boost agriculture when the Tsars ruled Russia. But otherwise, communism as a whole still sucks.
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First, The Great Famine was accidental (due to Mao not realizing the scope of the problem), Holodomor was intentional, and the North Korean Famine started due to the fall of communism, and made worse by government polices. http://www.studymode.com/essays/Causes-Great-Chinese-Famine-158880.html http://cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0-231-14000-3/famine-in-north-korea Second, If 20 million or more people died at Tiannen Square, that would mean Tiannen Square should have as many dead as the Nazi death camps Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the Soviet massacre at Katyn (which it did not). First, stop feeding your own arrogance when you've never been to a communist country! The Great Famine was man-made: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/feb/10/worst-man-made-catastrophe-ever/ Second, your article on North Korea doesn't mention the fall of communism at all. Do you want me to report you for lying and sending disinformation? Third, you failed to mention that while the only crime committed by Nazi Germany was the Holocaust, crimes committed by the USSR include the Holodomor and the Great Purge, and perhaps some other state-terrorist policies as well.
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If you do not show where YOU got your alleged facts from, you might as well be making stuff up. Whether or not other people choose to trust your sources or believe the information held within them is beside the point. They provide an opportunity for people to find other evidence to prove or disprove the information within those sources and to move the debate forward. Provide those sources please or this discussion will have become meaningless and I will close this thread. In fact, I would really appreciate it if you could close this thread. Not because I have no sources, but such an ongoing discussion is a waste of time we could have spent on something more interesting and important.
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I think you should watch the whole series, rather than the very first video of that series on "Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party" (the reason I didn't copy/paste the URL of a playlist is because Accursed Farms doesn't allow me to do so), before you even start to debunk my claims, so that you'll know everything I said is based on hidden historical facts, not bullshit. The Great Famine does count as it was artificial rather than natural: it happened because of communist policy at that time which regarded African and Latin American countries brotherhood as a whole. Hence huge amount of food was freely exported oversea, leaving native Chinese starve to death. And wherever there is communism, massive famine and starvation always ensue. That's why the Holodomor happened in the USSR, and that's why nationwide famine is still happening in North Korea...And if you seriously believe all those disasters are natural and just happen in communist countries by accident, then I really, really admire your logic! And what do you know about the Tienanmen Square protests if you've neither been to China nor were you even born at that time?! I bet it's easier for you to believe in communist propaganda which says not a single person died from that protest. And don't tell me you really think that the artificial Holodomor was better than the Holocaust...At last, what's the point of giving you a link should the outcome be exactly the same - you won't believe me either way?!
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First, give me a break ok?! The USSR didn't just kill their own people they invaded other sovereign countries too (Finland, Poland...) I don't see why they were better than Nazi Germany! Second, stop using the word "Jewish" to substitute "Zionist"! If it was only a matter of Zionist family background among the Soviet leaders then how come the USSR supported Israel? By the way you can Youtube Jews (true Torah/Mizrahi Jews) and Muslims and everyone else were living in peace until the creation of Israel... Third, I don't need to mention again that Wikipedia cannot be trusted! I know Mao himself killed 80 million people (Great Chinese Famine, the Cultural Revolution...) because unlike you I don't believe in communist propaganda! The other 20 million were killed during the Tienanmen Protest in 1989, and those are only conservative numbers! Fourth, the fact the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact even existed proves communism and Nazism can indeed coexist. Enough said. Fifth, I'd like to give you the link...but you're just gonna say those civilians don't exist, by your logic.
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You're kidding me right? Wikipedia is full of propaganda and ANYONE CAN EDIT ARTICLES ON THAT! No plane, no car and no tank? LOL It's funny you are the one who sticks to communist propaganda yet you accuse me of being brainwashed by commies! Just the opposite was the case - the communists had no planes, no cars, no tanks! And no, they DID NOT fight against Japanese invaders at all, they took advantage of the Sino-Japanese war to overthrow the Nationalist government! Here is a video playlist made by Falun Gong practitioners, they are 100% anti-communist. You'll see the communists did not fight against Japs at all! And don't even try to tell me I'm brainwashed by commies once you've watched this: s8oaUepvc70 Then you fucking say I'm a robot! I don't know! For the sake of my sanity, let's just say 100 children (more or less) died in drone strikes. You know that they aren't targeting children on purpose, and yet you still use this in your anti-US views. So just stop using it please. Just because they didn't target children on purpose doesn't mean what they were doing is right! And just because they didn't kill those children on purpose doesn't mean those victims don't exist! How about if I kill you and I say you don't exist?! Anyway if you ever say those children don't exist again then I'll say hurricane Sandy didn't cause any fatality and the victim list was fake! 6L79wWAFUqg Again Wikipedia is not a reliable source as anyone can write article on it...
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First, "whoever struck first would be portrayed as the aggressor, the one who was struck would be portrayed as the victim", but the US didn't keep this school of thought in mind when attacking other weak communist countries. Therefore you cannot use this to prove there was no secret alliance between the US and communism. Plus the US would achieve the same victory if they attacked the USSR during WWII just like Nazi Germany. Open your eyes! Second, did I say I hate Jews? NO! I repeatedly used the word "Zionist" to emphasize the difference between Judaism and Zionism. I love religious Jews because they read the Torah, while Zionists are not real Jews because they read the Talmud! Many Religious Jews (Orthodox Jews, Neturei Karta...) oppose Zionism too, and this is truth! And are you saying that prominent communist figures such as Lenin, Marx or Leon Trotsky were not Zionists?! Do you even have the slightest idea about their family background? Third, what makes you think you know better than me? The communist regime in China alone murdered at least 100 million people. Get your fact right! Fourth, why do you want to avoid to mention the non-aggression pact made between Nazi Germany and the USSR to invade Poland? Unless you realized your mistake but you dare not to admit it? Fifth, let me get this straight: I am not Muslim! And I never said I hated all Americans! I only like normal Americans who don't feel they are so superior just because their media encourages them to do so! And do you want me to give you a link showing US police brutality towards civilians? I guess it will be useless because you are gonna say they don't exist...
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You obviously overlooked the fact China already had a huge manpower available to join the armed forces, which had absolutely no problem overthrowing the Japanese empire. Nationalist China would certainly be stronger if the US-funded communist rebels didn't take advantage of WWII to harass the nationalist army! How about if I say you don't exist and you are a robot?! Go watch the relevant videos yourself! Unless you are blind? How does race not affect the way people think? All Black people are with Martin! And some good White people demonstrated in supported of Martin too! I'M DENYING WHAT ISN'T TRUE YOU ASSHOLE! If you knew me personally you would find out that you were just making shit up about a man you think is an evil person, JUST BECAUISE HE'S AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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First, READ WHAT I SAID! I said attacking puppet communist regimes doesn't prove anything. If the US attacked the USSR or China rather than other small communist countries then it is a valid proof that the US wasn't working with communism. Second, attacking puppet regimes rather than the superpowers themselves, or supporting their enemies still doesn't prove anything. It's like a game of chess in which one person plays white and his opponent black. No matter how many pieces are captured/killed a game remains a game in the virtual world, which is never the same as physical fight in the real world. Third, Britain supported Palestine because they were anti-communist, as opposed to Zionists who were, and are still communist. Just look into your dictionary and you'll see the ultimate goal of Zionists is Zion, which has the same meaning as Utopia - the ultimate goal of communists. And the fact the US along with the USSR supported Israel is enough to prove the US did support communism. "And the US and USSR supported Israel for a variety of reasons, namely to look like good people to the world", yeah you just confessed the US government only looks like good people but are not in reality. Fourth, "the leaders of the USSR didn't want to look like another Stalin and make the Warsaw Pact look bad, and therefore did not want to kill more people than they had to", yeah they were so better than Stalin that unlike him, they executed people in secrecy. Fifth, "40 million people is plenty. Why lie and add 20 million people to that count when the said number is plenty to use in propaganda?" Either you are lying about this number, or you only count people who were publicly executed but you forget to include others who died of starvation, overloaded & forced labor in the Gulag, etc. Sixth, fascism/Nazism and communism do mix! It is an undeniable fact Nazi Germany and the USSR forged an alliance by signing a German–Soviet non-aggression pact to invade Poland, before they fought each other. Seventh, I've already heard in the news (not from my country) that the US is gradually becoming a police state. And incidents involving police officers who fatally shot unarmed and innocent civilians is on the rise nationwide. If your friend is still alive that's because he/she is lucky, it's just a matter of time till the police silences him/her.
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Rewriting history? Who's rewriting you little jerk? Japan at that time was at war with Chinese, Koreans, Indonesians, Malays, Filipinos, Burmese, Thais, Vietnamese, Cambodians...It's logical the Japanese economy would collapse when it was at war with so many countries! They aren't children? Look at their age idiot! What is your definition of children otherwise? Bradley Manning and Julian Assange revealed some crimes committed by US troops. It is a fact and I even talked about it. But if you do not read carefully what I write then it's not my fault! If you were Black I bet you would never support Zimmerman! You just don't dare to confess you may be racist that's all. Yeah, just sit on your comfortable couch and deny this fact, this is easy. But if I know you in real life then you won't be able to fool me anymore.
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Listen up, my government never told us anything about the US conspiring with communists for fear of their own reputation, I do my own research. First, attacking some puppet regimes doesn't prove anything, how about invading either the USSR or China? Why no solid action if they weren't secretly working together? Plus, back in 1948 Britain, which is supposed to be an US ally supported Palestine while Soviet Russia supported Israel. And how do you explain the fact the US chose to side with the USSR and supported Israel? Second, you are underestimating the atrocities of the USSR against its own people in order to defend your government's wrongdoing, aren't you? Third, current major events tell me that the US government is a mixture of communism and fascism.
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Hahaha keep bitching you little piece of twat! The Zionists are not even real Jews. Ancient Israelites were West Asians with tan skin whereas modern Zionists are White Europeans who colonized Palestine in 1948. Clearly you little communist pussy/Nazi whore only know a small part of history. At the end of WWII Japan was on financial collapse due to its budget spent on wars against nations in East Asia. Nationalist China alone was able to defeat Japan, making the atomic bombings totally redundant, and that only killed innocent civilians not involved in war. Dude, if you say that, that's because either you did not count at all, or there is something seriously wrong with your IQ! This list alone mentions the death of OVER 100 children, NOT FEWER, and I counted. Not to mention this is only a tip of the iceberg! Do you even need to ask? Technology is always advancing, and unlike today, there was no Photoshop and other stuff at that time to cover up and filter war crimes and related information. If you mean spying on people is equivalent to counter-terror operation then you are automatically implying civilians are equivalent to terrorists. Second, if Trayvon Martin were White then you wouldn't support that killer Zimmerman. You White supremacist! And being able to vote is one thing, but whether their votes are counted is another thing. Dude wake the fuck up! Kate Middleton just gave birth to a royal baby, but does that make the baby a civilian only based on age?! If their parents are politicians then it explains why some of your friends are very supportive of your government.
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You have no idea of how Palestinians are suffering daily under the Israeli occupation - their homes have been demolished, relatives killed by the IDF. Yet, those who worked in the Twin Towers were henchmen of the Zionist regime by being a major force in boosting the US economy hence financing your government which in turn uses it to support Israel in developing deadlier weapons to slay more innocent Palestinians. Bin Laden is VERY rich, he could've chosen to unite Mujaheddin from around the world & destroy Israel; yet he spared Israel and chose instead to dismantle the WTC. By doing so not only had Israel's nuclear development been delayed as a result of 9/11, merely 3000 people died rather than costing the lives of several million Israelis+Palestinians. Al Qaeda has been fighting against the West for year yet they've NEVER fought a single war against Israel. This is truth! First, you are making up this lie about Osama's "total assets worth less than $10 million" without solid proof. Yes he was rich, he was richer than any Middle Eastern government! His family still owns poppy fields which produce morphine, a vital ingredient in the making of cocaine that can be found in the very popular soft drink Coca Cola! Second, you are obviously only sitting in your comfortable sofa and brainwashed by your mainstream media. Of course 9/11 has everything to do with Israel. A large portion of the US economy that your government used to fund those criminal Zionists came from the Twin Towers. He was also pissed about biased American policy towards Israel despite the fact Israel has already betrayed America several times and is still doing so. Third, Israel is considered a Western country, hence "western ideals" do apply here. Fourth, Zionists in Israel are colonizers, they are not even true descendants of Israelites. The ancient Israelites were of WEST ASIAN RACE WITH TAN SKIN; however, the vast majority of those Zionists are White Europeans who colonized Palestine in 1948, not Middle Easterners at all. Plus there were Jews in Palestine before Israel was created, they are real Mizrahi Jews. You can even Youtube "Jews and Muslims were living in peace before the creation of Israel". Fifth, if you are a real Republican/Conservative then you should support Palestine rather than Israel, because back in 1948 Britain, which is supposed to be an US ally supported Palestine while Soviet Russia supported Israel. The US however, chose to side with the USSR and supported Israel (aha, another evidence the US supported communists!) Why? Because at that time the US president who supported Israel was Harry Truman, a DEMOCRAT! Here is the list: http://topinfopost.com/2013/07/25/a-list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen?fb_source=pubv1 Dude, if you say that, that's because either you did not count at all, or there is something seriously wrong with your IQ! This list alone mentions the death of over 100 children, and I counted. Not to mention this is only a tip of the iceberg! And I'm not going to bother posting the links to the various webpages that support my claims either... That's because they were not concealable! Read carefully what I wrote! Do you even need to ask? Technology is always advancing, and unlike today, there was no Photoshop and other stuff at that time to cover up and filter war crimes and related information. Euh, so you are basically saying all civilians are terrorists and need to be spied upon? Give me a break! And I don't believe in American fake democracy, as it only benefits White people! America has been oppressing Black people for years, and Obama got elected only because he grew up in a White neighborhood. Only White people get fair trial in the US, that's why the police officer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin could get away with it. You're switching subjects faster than a US politician talking about his sex life... Stick with a topic, provide something that either supports your position or disproves someone else's. If you don't, you're trolling, and will end up with a ban if you aren't careful. You may very well be a racist against Blacks yourself, and that Black guy you "met in high school" might be in your imagination. The US government has a history of hiring KKK members to slaughter black people, and incidents pertaining to White policemen who, motivated by racism fatally shot Black people do occur. You cannot deny this. I'm not talking about politicians I'm rather referring to ordinary people, and quite a handful of your friends might well be government officials. Speculating on his choice of friends says nothing about the validity of your claims. Wrong! Snowden never released any information to other countries, and even Republican Ron Paul supports this claim. And if you seriously think government officials represent the people then you are deeply brainwashed, given the fact all of them are corrupted as each and every one of them is leading a luxurious life inside their awfully expensive real estate whereas many taxpayers are literally working to death to pay these greedy politicians. I said "conservatives" only to enlighten him from his perspective of how society works, but still you can check out this historical fact about being liberal/conservative and you'll see I'm right. Dude go check out for yourself if you've never learned this from your history class. I'm saying "Democrat/Republican" just to make you understand my take from your perspective, but in reality nobody is supposed to be labelled as liberal/conservative. You are denying the fact the US supported communists? Well even after communist takeover of China the US attempted on several occasions to assassinate the nationalist leader. It's my country's history so I know it! Plus let's talk about the USSR instead, as it is better known to the world. While Nazi Germany only killed 6 million people, Soviet Russia alone murdered 60 million people! And America chose to side with the most evil out of the two! I am not saying this based on communist propaganda, I do my own research. In fact they don't even teach us this in our history books. After all, while we have to manage to break through the firewall used by our government to censor information in order to seek truth, you on the other hand are just like some other Americans who are fed up with government-filtered information despite the fact you are enjoying the relative freedom of online surfing. Isn't this ironic?! First, it's true the drone strikes are not supposed to kill children; yet fact remains that the military did deliberately and randomly choose targets which led to the killing of children. And if you are unable to see evidence of US war crimes that's because you choose to believe the fascist US mainstream media. Second, actually America really is trying to silence dissidents (Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange...) You just proved my point (only American lives matter because the US is one of the top superpowers). You think Manning is a traitor simply because he leaked information on US war crimes against unarmed Iraqis. If it were the other way around (that he revealed killing of US soldiers by insurgents), then I'm 100% sure you'd be protesting against your government. Julian Assange is exposing governments from every country, yet only the US and its puppets have problem with it. Isn't this enough to prove that American democracy is a joke?
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You are denying the fact the US supported communists? Well even after communist takeover of China the US attempted on several occasions to assassinate the nationalist leader. It's my country's history so I know it! Plus let's talk about the USSR instead, as it is better known to the world. While Nazi Germany only killed 6 million people, Soviet Russia alone murdered 60 million people! And America chose to side with the most evil out of the two!
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Ironic considering that half way through the war the public wanted to stop fighting. Makes me shudder to think what connections you have, Bullseye. Which is sad all thing considering, but if you don't enforce the law, it bites you in the ass later on. You have no idea of how Palestinians are suffering daily under the Israeli occupation - their homes have been demolished, relatives killed by the IDF. Yet, those who worked in the Twin Towers were henchmen of the Zionist regime by being a major force in boosting the US economy hence financing your government which in turn uses it to support Israel in developing deadlier weapons to slay more innocent Palestinians. Bin Laden is VERY rich, he could've chosen to unite Mujaheddin from around the world & destroy Israel; yet he spared Israel and chose instead to dismantle the WTC. By doing so not only had Israel's nuclear development been delayed as a result of 9/11, merely 3000 people died rather than costing the lives of several million Israelis+Palestinians. Al Qaeda has been fighting against the West for year yet they've NEVER fought a single war against Israel. This is truth! Here is the list: http://topinfopost.com/2013/07/25/a-list-of-children-killed-by-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen?fb_source=pubv1 That's because they were not concealable! Read carefully what I wrote! Euh, so you are basically saying all civilians are terrorists and need to be spied upon? Give me a break! And I don't believe in American fake democracy, as it only benefits White people! America has been oppressing Black people for years, and Obama got elected only because he grew up in a White neighborhood. Only White people get fair trial in the US, that's why the police officer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin could get away with it. Views can change. Understood? I'm not talking about politicians I'm rather referring to ordinary people, and quite a handful of your friends might well be government officials. I said "conservatives" only to enlighten him from his perspective of how society works, but still you can check out this historical fact about being liberal/conservative and you'll see I'm right. Excuse me, but I have RARELY seen BTGBullseye wrong when I have argued with him. We may not agree on everything, but he knows what he's talking about.
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First, it's true the drone strikes are not supposed to kill children; yet fact remains that the military did deliberately and randomly choose targets which led to the killing of children. And if you are unable to see evidence of US war crimes that's because you choose to believe the fascist US mainstream media. Second, actually America really is trying to silence dissidents (Bradley Manning, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange...)
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I never said I am a fan of my government. Actually it's the US's fault if we have a communist dictatorship! The US supported & armed Chinese commies to overthrow the Nationalist government and take over mainland China in 1949.
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First, this is a typical arrogant American school of thinking: only American lives matter because the US is one of the top superpowers. Americans are not even qualified to talk about 9/11 when your people dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 9/11 was a joke compared to that... Second, you are just making up this bullshit about "civilian casualties have dropped by quite a lot" without solid evidence. Do you want me to give you a list of innocent children killed by unmanned drone strike? Third, of course it is a crime to use the mass media to cover up crimes. Major news channels in the US may report on civilian casualties, but ONLY IF they are absolutely not concealable. And even with this in mind it has to be filtered by the government before being brought to public attention. Otherwise why would the US arrest Bradley Manning for releasing only a few videos showing US war crimes in Iraq? Fourth, the Edward Snowden incident reveals how hypocritical the US government is - double standard all the time! Should he be a dissident from another country that fled to the US I'm 100% sure that your government would automatically accuse the country concerned of disrespecting human rights. Take for instance the Dalai Lama, prior to his exile he did have intimate contacts with the Chinese government. Thus he certainly is in possession of classified information concerning national security of China. Yet the US government is not advocating his arrest just because he is not a US dissident. Fifth, there is something contradictory in your statement. Earlier on you said you were anti-Obama and anti-Democrat; however it's Obama who issued the arrest warrant of Snowden and you support him! Clearly you are speaking with prejudice rather than justice, because you only want Obama dead for harming people you like but you don't want him dead for people you dislike. Sixth, you must be a government agent, because all ordinary American people I know (including many Conservatives) voiced their support for Snowden. You on the other hand support the NSA spying on your own people. Seventh, technically there is no such thing as liberal or conservative. This idea came from the French Revolution when the French aristocracy labelled the revolutionaries and rebels as liberals. Eighth, you get more information faster online...yeah you only read information that you like.
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Americans who have never been outside of the US and only watch Fox News will never understand what I mean.
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Let him answer. I want to know why he wants to hang Bush and Obama. Bush launched illegal wars, Obama's excessive use of unmanned drone has killed countless innocent children in the name of "war on terrorism". Both of them use the media to their own advantage, the media that covers up crimes committed by US soldiers against unarmed civilians but only reports on the fatalities of American soldiers, as if only American lives are important but the rest of the world are not! And I'm not interested in hearing that "America is promoting freedom" trick. I don't buy it because it is clearly fake. If America really was a democracy then it wouldn't be desperately trying to arrest and silence whistle-blowers such as Edward Snowden. The saying "the truth hurts" exists, but "lies hurt" does not exist.
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Both Bush and Obama deserve to be hung too.