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1. I most certainly can say that, because I dare you to find any other country that puts the right of firearm ownership directly in the founding principles of their country, (besides Mexico which doesn't actually allow that right in practice, or Guatemala which was not one of your espoused countries of "sanity") even so much as to put it second only to the freedom of speech. The culture of excess is literally what I described at the beginning that you disagreed with. 2. None of that proves objectively that their social systems are "better". 3. I'm comparing all of the UK to anywhere in the USA, because it's a valid comparison that you don't like. The UK has a MUCH higher rate of violent crime than the USA, just not with as many guns. 4. That has absolutely nothing to do with sanity, or proof of anything related to this particular subdiscussion. This statement doesn't make any sense. I think we have a very different view of the culture of excess. You think it's the rejection of religious morality and that's what this entire discussion is about in the first place. To be honest it really isn't in your place to direct this conversation and tell me what's relevant and what's not, because I'm the one who pressed the concern in the first place. I think the culture of excess you described is just basic freedoms that other countries are enjoying. I think the culture of excess is the rejection of practicality rather than a rejection of religious morality. I'm a mentally ill transgender person who was dabbled in paganism and witchcraft and was raised by a single mother, and I love guns. I don't want to be viewed as some recipe for disaster because I fit your criteria for what's wrong in society, because to the contrary I'm actually a pacifist. I didn't miss the context, and it's only your opinion that the subversion of values isn't a bad thing. I bet you would consider it bad if that subversion caused people to steal your stuff, and kill you for being a witness. If you didn't miss the context you would see that wasn't a self contradiction. And yes, I would consider it bad if subversion of values included grand theft and murder because they're fucking grand theft and murder. As it stands, challenging norms of gender and sexuality and rejecting Christianity aren't the same as grand theft and murder. Marilyn Manson has been pushing those bars for decades. Absolutely silly comparison.

That's specifically what confused me though, because both threads were bumped by you.

That is very much a political discussion, please restrict that sort of conversation to the Gun Control thread. This thread is for discussing the weapons themselves, not relating to politics. That's where I meant to post it. It doesn't help that the threads were right next to each other and had similar titles.

What commonwealth? The one in Massachusetts? The Commonwealth of Nations. 1. They have a very different culture there, one that isn't directly compatible with that of the USA. 2. Prove that their social systems are "better" objectively, and not just in your opinion. 3. Safe is not what I would call it in the UK, where you're far more likely to get physically accosted than anywhere in the USA. 4. Please provide objective proof that their conditions are "sane", and what conditions would be insane. 5. Why are you bringing up countries that aren't related to the conversation? 1. You can't just say x culture isn't compatible with ours because we have so many goddamn cultures here. The biggest cultural difference I can think of is that the United States has a culture of excess, and seeing that change wouldn't be a bad thing. That's just my opinion though. 2. New Zealand, Canada, all of Scandanavia, Denmark, Iceland, and the Netherlands are some of the happiest countries in the world. All of them have a universal single-payer healthcare system, all of them have strong but fair gun regulations, all of them have similar or higher divorce rates to the United States, and all of them recognize gay marriage and LGBT rights and representation. 3. You're comparing the U.K. as a whole to specific areas of the U.S., and beyond that I'm pretty sure London is safer than Flint, or St. Louis, or Baltimore, or Chicago, or Detroit. 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate All sources and citations included in the list. Canada ranks highest of all the countries I've mentioned for gun homicides and it's still more than 9 times lower than the United States. That's not mentioning the frequency and magnitude of mass shootings and terrorist attacks in the United States. 5. They are related to the conversation, because the cultural and societal correlations you've made don't add up practically in other real-world examples. What about it? It wasn't a part of the discussion. They just recently got rid of Apartheid as well. None of this actually discusses anything in relation to the subject at hand. You're going off topic. 5. They are related to the conversation, because the cultural and societal correlations you've made don't add up practically in other real-world examples. You're about to contradict yourself... It's coming right up... And there it is... Self contradiction. Good job on missing the context anyway. It's not a contradiction to say the fact that we are having and always have had our "values" subverted isn't a problem. It hasn't been a problem for the past couple hundred years and it isn't a problem now.

One thing I have yet to see anybody talk about is just how many guns this country has. we have 1 gun per citizen in this country and I'm pretty sure that's more than any other country. It's more than fucking Somalia. I'm 90% sure the biggest contributing factors to gun-related crime in this country are culture and availability. I see lots of folks talking about how a criminal will get a gun either way, but not about just how many guns exist on the market. They're fucking everywhere, why don't we try to knock that number down a notch?

Correlation doesn't equal causation, especially not in this case. I used to regularly take Xanax and basically all it does is help me cope with heavy stress. It's pretty easy to see how that would help a shooter carry out their deed, but that doesn't mean the drug itself is responsible. I've never taken prozac but I imagine the exact same principle still applies. Actually, most gun-related deaths are suicides or accidents. Homicides are still a huge chunk of gun-related deaths, but the majority of those are committed with guns that were (at least initially) legally obtained. You could still technically say the majority of shootings happen with illegally obtained weapons and not technically be wrong, but for the most part those are illegally obtained because they were """borrowed""" from somebody who legally owns them. The information about each tragedy should be readily available so you could look back at the causes and what preventative measures could've been taken. This might seem effective but only because these tragedies popping up in the media only ends with people bickering about shitty solutions until the situation's been forgotten. Nothing actually gets done when it really should. That's not the fault of media coverage, that's the fault of lawmakers and constituents. Sorry but I'm gonna have to call bullshit on this one, about your comment on politicizing tragedy. Ever since Sandy Hook I've seen this same argument brought up, and I've said essentially the same thing every time. It's a fucking tragedy, it deserves to be politicized. If you don't politicize it, nothing gets done about it. This is exactly the reason why we're at a constant stalemate while gun violence is still running rampant. You can have one side who's stubbornly pro-gun and one side that's stubbornly anti-gun, but supporting their impasse is supporting jack shit happening. As far as your other comments I'm indifferent. I'm (mostly) pro-gun so I have really nothing to say. Argumentum ad Hitlerum didn't take long to show up now did it? This is pretty much basic generational fear, I've been over this before. Also I'm glad you put the disclaimer that this is subjective because I should point out something. Physical discipline is objectively mentally unhealthy. It carries a risk of trauma., and saying "I was spanked and I turned out fine" is suvivorship bias for all intents and purposes. It should be said that white nationalists and white supremacists make up the bulk of domestic terrorists, and I'm pretty sure they have for about a decade now. Islamic fundamentalists definitely make up a sizable chunk of terrorist attacks but the rest of those groups don't. Worst you'll see from ANTIFA and BLM are riots, and people do get hurt (maybe even killed but I haven't been able to find anything on ANTIFA or BLM-related deaths) in those, but individual cases of politically motivated assault and violence are hate crimes, not terrorism. Also I like how you threw in the KKK presumably to sound impartial. I'm sure you could do better than one right-wing hate group.

The correlations here break down when you consider the Commonwealth. Specifically the wealthier and more developed nations. Canada, the U.K., and New Zealand. Nonsecularism, hetero/cisnormativism, family values, and all of that jazz aren't significant cultural values of any of those countries, yet the people of those countries are living in safe and sane societies relative to the U.S. who's been far behind them in pretty much every social regard. And what about South Africa? While they are technically a secular nation they're more Christian than the United States. While gay marriage technically has been legal there for over a decade, there's still no penalty for LGBT hate crimes, and there are LGBT people there being killed and correctively raped there at higher frequency than the U.S. Gun violence is technically lower but violent crime overall is still higher. The U.S. does have a societal/cultural issue but it's not that our traditional values are being challenged and subverted. The U.S. has always had its values challenged and subverted since it became an independent nation, and even before then. Now is no different.

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