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Because video games are an entire medium, like I said? People enjoy video games like they enjoy movies or music, and that includes people who aren't part of some weird culture of overweight men who don't know what deodorant is.

Well that's an awfully quick way to out yourself as a misogynist. Women are more capable of being responsible for themselves than you are of giving any kind of detailed response, apparently.

I'm amazed Dark Souls was never brought up in this thread. I will say now that 2 and 3 are out and complete, easily one of the best if not the best RPG series I've ever played. 2 was particularly amazing but it did take a minute to grow on me.

I mean I guess "got" and "bought" are technically different buuuuuuut...

I mean, think of it this way, do you think people trying to gatekeep an entire medium from different demographics like LGBT people, women, and people of color might reasonably be seen as bigoted? Because we are talking about an ENTIRE MEDIUM here, there's a reason why gamers have become the laughing stock of the internet in recent years, they're a fucking miserable bunch. It's honestly embarrassing to me seeing these weird unattractive nerds gatekeep and defend their precious medium from SJWs or feminists or leftists or whatever the fuck has them pissing themselves in anger. I mean, for god's sake, you mentioned Hillary Clinton when she has nothing to do with the industry. Like I said: It's an entire medium! There's a lot of games out there! There are more games out there that fit your personal tastes than you have time in your life to play them.

I feel like it should be noted that the "drama bits" are pretty integral to PT's style. One of the main criticisms "breadtubers" like him had with the right wing branch of political youtube was how boring and mundane it was. It's difficult to watch or listen to an hour of meandering speech when that time could be used in a more concise and entertaining way. I wholeheartedly agree. To answer your questions: Women are responsible for their own bodies. Society has to pay for lots of ridiculous things but the well being of another human isn't among them as far as I'm concerned. If your concerned about where your tax money is going and your first thought is about poor people, then you should perhaps reconsider your priorities. It's not just poor people who get abortions either, by the way. Also, yes, it is possible to not get pregnant, but that isn't always the case. Pregnancy isn't a 100% voluntary action. It can be voluntary, but a lot of the time it isn't. I feel like there aren't many particularly strong cases against abortion. It would take nothing short of the greatest salesman on the planet to sell a case for why abortion is murder, for example. The issue is that many of the arguments made against abortion are based on morality which, similarly to using morality as a case against guns or military spending, doesn't particularly work. The morality of an anti-abortion argument quickly becomes grey at best when faced with counter-accusations of amorality such as depriving women and other people with wombs of bodily autonomy, forcing those seeking abortion to get the job done with a coat hanger, placing those who get abortions in prison for life. My preferred way to discuss abortion is the practicality of it. Criminalizing abortion won't stop it, it will only make the process of getting one more dangerous. If the goal is to minimize harm, then criminalizing abortion is not the way to go.

being pleasantly surprised at the level of activity recently

Osu

Bloodborne (obviously) and Detroit: Become Human

no no u infinity clearly beats no u infinity mate

Also, just out of curiosity, what inspired you to join this random near-dead forum and revive an old thread to talk about /pol/? All of this feels pretty intentional.

I don't usually engage shit like this head-on but I suppose this is a rare instance where I have the time and energy. It's a very simple, base-level explanation of one basic concept in socialist thought, you're missing the point by overanalyzing it. The point is that it's a very basic economic concept but it opens up such a wide variety of thought that you could easily use it to come to even some pretty insane conclusions. On the topic of value: It's easy to assume that supply and demand are the sole determiners of value, but take a closer look at the counter-examples you gave. Sure, a modern computer built by modern machinery removes the cost of labor but it also makes the product much cheaper, at least, much cheaper than it theoretically would cost if you could find a worker capable and willing of BUILDING a brand new Windows 10 machine literally from scratch. A Starcraft game is a bit of an out-there example that's a bit hard to compare to an economic scenario, but you COULD argue that while 50 CPM is less physical labor, a victory with 50 CPM requires more mental labor in the form of deeper strategic thought in making every click count. Similarly, careful thinking and acting is part of high quality labor so a burnt batch of cookies indicates that whoever's making them is lacking in their effort compared to someone making a flawless batch. Just watch that Youtube video on differently skilled bakers making cookies. The amount of time and effort that goes in to each level of cookie is dramatically different. In the context of capitalism, if you're buying from a bakery, the product is likely at a set price anyway so whether or not you're willing to buy a cookie priced at $2.99 is pretty much solely determined by how much effort went in to baking that cookie, in addition to the base components. A very basic economic concept is bound to be met with very simple criticisms, but when you think more deeply about the contexts in which those economic concepts are applied it starts to demand a more thoughtful approach. Sure. I'm familiar with the nature of 4chan, the boards aren't all that dissimilar in how they handle near total anonymity. Go on /v/, /mu/, or /a/ and you'll find a million threads that are just shit opinions from NEETs who know they have shit opinions but are so starved for attention they feel compelled to put them out there, /lgbt/ is a total shitshow, nobody there has any self-respect or respect for others, and like 30% of the people who post there are transphobes coming in from other boards trying to bait the regulars with shit like "join the 40%" and "nice mental illness" and such. The thing is, once you've exposed yourself to enough of the bullshit it's not that hard to tell what's worth replying to and what's worth ignoring. It's not a matter of the spam content on /pol/ being nonsense because of course it is, it's a matter of the genuine content that regulars take seriously being nonsense as well. There's not some secret knowledge locked away behind mountains of spam and archives that you need to dig through to get answers. The U.S. wears its bullshit proudly on its sleeve, and hardly makes an effort to cover it up or make excuses for it. When you start to get a feel for how you're getting fucked over and who you're getting fucked over by, it's not that hard to see where a lot of the folks on /pol/ come in to their own frame of mind, the thing is though, their anger and bitterness always seems to be grossly misguided and misdirected. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, but /pol/ seems to wallow in them and act like normies wouldn't understand when really, normies just see /pol/ as some sort of sad collection of failed individuals. Take this for example: How do you think you appear to an ordinary person who has gotten over cheating and remarried, or someone in an open relationship, when you talk about cuckolding? How do you think you appear to a black or asian person when you talk about multiculturalism? How do you think you appear to trans people when you talk about transgender ideology? How do you think you appear to your average non-religious person or, really, your average Christian, when you talk about "G-d"? There is shit wrong with society, and honestly it isn't even insane to say we're headed in to some really scary territory which we may never be able to leave or recover from as long as we live. There's just a lot of thinking about it to do, but I think /pol/ does the wrong kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that leads them to believe that ordinary people that frankly have more in common with them than the "cabal" are the enemy. And I'll be willing to admit, there's probably a lot about /pol/ that I'm missing or misunderstanding, I got out of that rabbit hole when I started making the wrong kind of friends, that is to say, I didn't stay long, but I certainly wouldn't consider myself ignorant. I assume you know this just as well as anyone else, but "control" isn't a literal term. Nobody can control you, you have a say in the news and media and products you consume, but they DO have a say in whether or not you can take part in capitalist society (hint: you have to) and whether or not you can get away with being circumstantially financially unlucky (hint: you can't.) You can argue that NatGeo, Eddie Izzard, Jon Stewart, and Bill Nye are all spreading propaganda, but I could just as well say you're writing them off. As far as I can tell Eddie Izzard is just a comedian/actor and Jon Stewart is just a milquetoast liberal who used to do basic political commentary. As far as NatGeo goes, is it really that hard to imagine that something interesting or meaningful was written about gender and transgender people? Is it really that much of a stretch to say that Bill Nye was talking about something true, simplified so pre-teens could understand it? I don't really typically watch or read shit like that, so I can't say that I fully understand what's being said or written, but to me it's not a stretch. Being trans and seeing somebody (like you) saying that transgender ideology or whatever is being pushed by major media companies and celebrity figures is kind of strange and outlandish to me, because it makes me feel like some sort of outsider who finds shit like this to be relatively normal. Not necessarily alienated, just kinda like I understand something that I'd typically think is just common sense, or rather not think about at all. Not much to comment on Deus Ex. I can't deny a lot of it feels eerily real and is largely based on reality rather than speculation but there's also some more strange commentary going on there that's best taken with a grain of salt. Going by this I have the feeling that you haven't come in to serious, honest contact with many leftists, at least not anyone left of a green or demsoc. There are many petit-bourgeois in socialist movements and as long as they understand what it means to be in their position of wealth, they typically are welcomed as comrades. Every leftist I've met fucking abhors the rich though and would sooner point fingers at a CEO than a congressperson.

The reason why it sounds totally insane is because it is. When you get out of the /pol/ rabbit hole you kind of come to your senses and realize something about the line of thinking /pol/ puts you in. It's honestly astounding how close /pol/ comes to the point and yet how often they completely miss it just by manner of their psychotic conspiratorial thinking. They paint part of the picture correctly, enough for it to make sense, and then it fills the rest in with complete nonsense. Think of Marxism for example, I AM a Marxist so this doesn't really apply to me but it may be able to put things in perspective. When you figure out basic tenets of Marxism you start to feel like a fucking genius. Imagine how someone feels when they pick up Capital for the first time and figure out that value is the sum of labor plus the means of production and that profit is theft. Now imagine how that same person looks to everybody else a few months later when they come preaching about Posadism a few months later and how Trotsky was right and that the aliens will save us by starting a nuclear war and the working class can create a communist paradise from the ashes of society. That's how /pol/ looks to everybody else. You start with the relatively sane assertion that our lives and media are being controlled by wealthy capitalist elites, and end with the fucking insane conclusion that it's being used to push a Jewish agenda in our movies and music and video games that promote "cuckolding" and "multiculturalism" and "transgender ideology" and whatever else. I don't see how a group of anti-war, anti-police, anti-state political figures are pushing an agenda that's beneficial to the fucking military industrial complex, your line of thinking got mixed up somewhere.

on the topic of abortion. very interesting video.

Welcome back. But for how long?

Pretty sure the admins can check who accessed your account from where, can't they? ?

If you're gonna be annoying and stubborn then really, you have no ground to accuse LGBT+ people of being the same.

WHAT ARE WE MISUNDERSTANDING HERE?

Your entire "point" consisted of one sentence where you said LGBT+ people were "too outspoken" and apparently block traffic with pride parades. It's like Blightmare said, if you're being misunderstood then CLARIFY. There really isn't much to misunderstand here, all you're doing is insisting that we're using straw men without being specific. Seriously. Give us a different criticism or try to clarify the first one.

I'm nearly certain you've never run in to one of those once in your life. Besides, people are allowed to celebrate shit, get over it.

Considering that's a red herring and entirely irrelevant, I think I do. If you want to criticize the LGBT+ community, go ahead and do it. Name one thing that makes LGBT+ people "annoying". I'll wait.

Agreed. We should also stop funding research towards all rare diseases because 2/100,000 annual cases for ALS is too rare for us to give a shit. Again, why are you just okay with creating victims of circumstance? Why should we just ignore when bad shit happens to people because it "doesn't happen often"? And what is "sapient" supposed to mean? If that's the single defining feature that makes a human fetus so valuable, that removing it even in cases of rape or incest is considered "murder", then how would you define sapience? There are also a remarkably small minority of Christians that live "according to Christ's teachings" so I'm not too terribly worried about the consensus on gay marriage. And it should be noted that "incidence" isn't entirely what's discussed in regards to what's "normal", there's no reason to discuss how many gay people there are per capita, so let's not act in bad faith here. "Normal" in a typical, good faith sense usually denotes a state of health, and whenever we colloquially refer to something as "not normal" we're usually saying, generally speaking, that something is wrong. Are LGBT people normal in the sense that there's nothing physically or mentally wrong with them? It's not a defining feature of being LGBT but being LGBT doesn't specifically denote being physically or mentally unhealthy, so maybe. Are LGBT people abnormal in the sense that something is "wrong with them"? Again, being LGBT doesn't denote having something wrong with you, so no. Are people suffering from anxiety or depressive disorders mentally or physically healthy? No, because if they were they wouldn't have a disorder. Do people suffering from anxiety or depressive disorders have something wrong with them? Yes, for the same exact reason. I feel like bringing up "normalcy" in LGBT+ related discussion denotes a certain type of homophobia/transphobia in addition to ableism. If you truly do, for some odd reason, only care about how common LGBT people are, then by all means you can ignore all of this. I simply have my doubts. A squeaky wheel still implies 25% of the population. Christians can be extremely annoying especially when paired with American conservatism, and that's the reality for LGBT+ people everywhere. The cultural push for LGBT+ acceptance has been met with resistance from religious groups nationwide and their reasoning for not affording that acceptance to them has been nothing but excuses. LGBPA people are mostly there, but it's hard for them to find excuses for why trans people shouldn't be given the same respect. I've been told I'll never be a woman because god made me the way I am and I should just be happy from myself, or been given passages from the bible that don't even specifically say being trans is wrong, just that "crossdressing" is wrong which has largely gone completely ignored by society EXCEPT in regards to trans people specifically. This isn't some uncommon occurrence with a loud minority, this is an everyday thing for me.

What all sucks? :^)

This is why nobody likes you, mate. You cop out and insult the other person when the pressure of an argument sets in. Don't you think that's more indicative of someone who isn't willing to listen? Why can't you just concede instead of being a condescending hypocrite?