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I created a north korea topic for these reasons.

Not really, only well-protected from strategic invasions by its geographical location. Chinese Navy at the moment does not have a real blue-ocean capability. They only have 1 conventional carrier, the rest of the navy consists of guided missile destroyers, frigates, support vessels and missile boats. Of those, most are suitable for coastal defence or commercial routes protection in littoral areas. They do have some BM and attack submarines though, but mostly conventional (limited speed and range)... With that, they will not be able to effectively protect a convoy of thousands of container/troop ships needed for the invasion. The escorts will be engaged by and preoccupied with the US Navy, while the troop carriers will be picked off one by one by shore and aircraft-launched anti-ship missiles (and bombs after the Liaoning carrier is taken out). Any WMD use will immediately turn into a nuke slagging match, which China will not win. All that will happen is that both sides will end up with a few major cities in smoking ruins and survivors thinking "how the hell did we get ourselves into this?". Because we are discussing the feasibility of a conventional-type invasion I deliberately did not mention any WMD escalation. No such things exist, unless you are talking about high altitude nuclear blasts, which then fall under the general WMD category (see above). In general, there may be many scenarios where the US gets drawn into a regional confrontation with China (because of Taiwan or Japan or something else) and it can grow into a major and costly war, with nukes etc. but the invasion (as in lots of Chinese boys with rifles marching along the Historic Route 66) is very unlikely. Regards Out of all those people to slave away at it, they could probably build a pretty fair sized air craft carrier force. Again though, you have also assumed the US - would not think the invasion is for another country - would have Omaha beach type defences ready - would not be distracted be something else

Not really, only well-protected from strategic invasions by its geographical location. Chinese Navy at the moment does not have a real blue-ocean capability. They only have 1 conventional carrier, the rest of the navy consists of guided missile destroyers, frigates, support vessels and missile boats. Of those, most are suitable for coastal defence or commercial routes protection in littoral areas. They do have some BM and attack submarines though, but mostly conventional (limited speed and range)... With that, they will not be able to effectively protect a convoy of thousands of container/troop ships needed for the invasion. The escorts will be engaged by and preoccupied with the US Navy, while the troop carriers will be picked off one by one by shore and aircraft-launched anti-ship missiles (and bombs after the Liaoning carrier is taken out). Any WMD use will immediately turn into a nuke slagging match, which China will not win. All that will happen is that both sides will end up with a few major cities in smoking ruins and survivors thinking "how the hell did we get ourselves into this?". Because we are discussing the feasibility of a conventional-type invasion I deliberately did not mention any WMD escalation. No such things exist, unless you are talking about high altitude nuclear blasts, which then fall under the general WMD category (see above). In general, there may be many scenarios where the US gets drawn into a regional confrontation with China (because of Taiwan or Japan or something else) and it can grow into a major and costly war, with nukes etc. but the invasion (as in lots of Chinese boys with rifles marching along the Historic Route 66) is very unlikely. Regards Out of all those people to slave away at it, they could probably build a pretty fair sized air craft carrier force. Again though, you have also assumed the US - would not think the invasion is for another country - would have Omaha beach type defences ready - would not be distracted be something else

And if you read what I wrote debt is a shallow way of looking at economics. What about fortune? Assets? GDP? Besides that fact do you know why we have debt? It's so we can build infrastructure, administration, military etc. etc. which then turns into a profit to pay off the loan. Think about it in real life terms, if you couldn't get a student loan how would you attend University? If you couldn't take out a mortgage on your house do you think many would have them? All this fear-mongering and mass media hype that you are perpetrating merely slows down government investment and will inevitably put us in a worse position with more debt than ever. When I say debt, I mean on the national level. This wouldn't bother me so much, but the debt is ovewhelming! Some people can't even afford to pay off their debt, which creates the problem.

Again, you regard America as an inviceable beast. You assume there will be no Chineese navy escort to protect the troop carriers, no aircraft carriers, no anything. And again, WMD play a special role. Not to mention the possibility of an EMP bomb(s). It is almost like you forget all the other factors.

Well, then please share your knowledge. I am more than willing to listen if you can propose a plausible invasion scenario which would overcome the practical hurdles I outlined in my previous posts. Regards Alright, how about a formal declearation of war after moths of buildup by China. The US would have little or no preperation, probably thinking the planned invasion would have been for Taiwan. The sheer size of the Chineese army would be enough to crush the US forces. and we haven't even talked about the possiblity of nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons being used. Even if the US west coast was bulit up to look like Omaha Beach, the sheer size of the invasion and possible use of WMD would probably break the defences (although this assumes that the US was preparing for the invasion from minute one). Just keep in mind though, that while I say all this crap it does not mean I believe it will happen.

Insane. You're just like those bastards at school, who think the US is invinceable. You think the US can just deflect the invasion, just like that, no poroblem. Listen to BTGBullseye and me. We know what the hell we're talking about.

So you're saying it is just 100% impossible to do such a thing? How naive must you be? If China stops lending, everyone crashes. If the US stops lending, everything crashes. Too bad! this may be the ONLY solution, and I dare you to think of a better one! The better one is everyone keeps loaning money. Unless you're Africa every country has massive debt, that's because debt means nothing by itself. Norway owes hundreds of millions of dollars but it could continue to run it's government and social welfare as it does now for another 50 years without any income. Just using debt is a very shallow way of looking at economics. In case you haven't noticed, THE DEBT IS THE PROBLEM. LOANING MONEY CREATES DEBT.

No, merely that they can't be trained properly and most will only play the role of cannon fodder in a war. I think you'll find that it is mostly the other way around. The US owes China US Dollars. If China destroys the US the value of the US dollars owed to China will become 0, the debt effectively written off. The Chinese are too shrewd to do something stupid like that. Regards I'm fairly certen that they can train 10 million people to fight in a war. they already have half that number ready to fight. Yes, countries have invaded other countrys because of various debt situations. My whole point was that the Chineese could do it, as long as they were prepared to do it.

So you're saying it is just 100% impossible to do such a thing? How naive must you be? If China stops lending, everyone crashes. If the US stops lending, everything crashes. Too bad! this may be the ONLY solution, and I dare you to think of a better one!

So you say there aren't 10 million adults in China that can be trained to fight in an army? Out of 1.3 billion Chinese in China? Invading a country because they owe debt to you has been done before. The Gulf War is my evidence. Anyway, the US debt situation is just unsolvable, especially if Obama keeps pissing away our money.

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Too high? Nothing is too high in cost when it comes to nuclear warfare (says Cold War experience). And to speak of Iran and not Isreal's nuclear capabillity, I'm more concerned Iran will be attacked by the US and start a war that could have and should have not started. I am afraid it will be simillar to Iraq, but it will be as terrible as Vapymid seems to think Iraq is/was. To quote you directly, "They never intended to win, it was pure politics"

Just because Isreal needs bunkers doesn't mean that they need to build them right next to Jersalum. The only reason that Isreal doesn't have the kind of US Cold War defence tactics (nuclear missle silos that can launch after the first strike, nuclear submarines, nuclear shelters, etc.) is because Isreal never had to deal with that kind of threat. They better get to building it though, regardless of finacial cost. NATO doesn't look poised to deal with Iran.

Today marks the ten year aniversery of the Iraq War.

"If I can't have it, noone can." I'm not too sure if they would be willing to go to those heights, especially if this was a direct attack by Iran. I guess we'll just have to find out in the near future. I'm more concerened with US policy with Iran. If the US goes to war, what will happen? This will be no repeat of the invasion of Iraq, not with what the Iranians have in their arsenal, whether it be conventional or unconvetional. If Iran aquires nuclear capability, I would side with those wanting containment, rather than war. Better yet, just keep track of every Iranian nuclear weapon. That way, there is less threat of nuclear terrorism. To protect Isreal, install Cold War modeled bunkers and missle defence programs. Easy solution. But of course our politicans make things complicated.

North Korea is starting missle tests again. They just never stop, do they?

Nuclear submarines? Missle launches? If Isreal is supposed to cotain the holy land, nuking it would irradiate the area for decades, making it unlivable. The muslims would inherit radioactive ash heaps. If the US is another target, then, again, terrorists could have stolen them from North Korea or Pakistan. Their holy land will be destroyed and unliveable. Why don't you get that?

Nuclear submarines? Missle launches? If Isreal is supposed to cotain the holy land, nuking it would irradiate the area for decades, making it unlivable. The muslims would inherit radioactive ash heaps. If the US is another target, then, again, terrorists could have stolen them from North Korea or Pakistan.

The Isrealies could nuke back. They could use a large amount of nukes in retaliation if they had to.

The Breaking News thread is for legitimate breaking news, not two different countries. That's why I made these threads.

Red Facist, small nuclear stockpile, inccurs famine amoung its own population, kills dissent in brutal fasion, unstable, and threatans war on a semi daily basis. How long before they launch a nuke at Japan or the US? How long until a nuclear bomb of theirs goes "missing"? How long until the next Korean War occours? Will it be the same as the last?

Why hasn't this kind of "accident" happened in North Korea? just as unstable, just as willing to hand their nukes over to terrorists. Why is Iran different? Isreal? If Iran was to destroy Isreal, the Isrealies would nuke them back (so says old Cold War doctrine).

Iran is an anti Israeli totalitarian regime trying to make nuclear weapons. How does the US respond to this? the same way with North Korea? Will there be a nuclear showdown or a repeat of Iraq?