ProHypster

Wars are never fought over a deity. Wars are fought over arguments. No philosopher believes in a bearded man. Most monotheists are not philosophers while most philosophers are monotheists. To define god, first define nature. If you think nature is everything we know for a scientific fact, then of course god is beyond nature. if you think nature is everything in the world but not everything that we know of for a scientific fact, including all kinds like metaphysical nature, energetic nature, then god may be nature or beyond nature. If you think nature is everything that exists, then god is either in nature or nature. Otherwise you just don't believe in god/the force/the reason Just remember that pantheism is not atheism.

That makes two people who clicked 51+

Why not call it god, after all god is the driving force behind the world (At least to me), hence I'm a monotheist (now), I believe that there is a driving force behind the universe. To each their god. To atheism, no god whatsoever. Pantheism. Pandeism, Panentheism, Panendeism and I will have to check out Dan's view. The mystery to me right now is explaining what god is not whether he exists. And what you explain is basically a form of pantheism not atheism. Dan: Yeah, entropic force.... it seems like just one type of force, I believe the universe was made by an entirely different force. I think I'm going to call it the universe force, the force that made the universe and keeps it going aka God.

Well yeah, that's where philosophy comes in, even if I'm convinced of atheism, I just want to help people, I feel no need to do anything that might harm an entity that I can feel empathy for. Like right now I'm not going to debate on that subject, on that subject debating is dangerous and can be misunderstood, leading an innocent one to do something foolish. Agreed to just stick to the topic? As for me, I will continue to live on this earth with the most important mission to get smarter and wiser, it doesn't matter if I find all the answers, just the action to get smarter is enough for me. I will also try not to pollute the environment since it will not require of much strength from me.

I'm not going to blame anyone though like some christians probably will. My formula is: With knowledge comes power. With power comes responsibility. With responsibility comes irresponsibility. With irresopnsibility comes Tragedy. Just a thought I feel fear for our long passion for activity, knowledge and experiments will eventually destroy us. We can't do anything about it though.

Yet, in atheism it doesn't matter what we decide, it will be something natural. I can see this directly brings to Nihilism, all kinds of it. Which brings us to Killing isn't wrong nor right it's a sequence. Surely atheists know that murder won't do them any good, and will bring moral pain, that's the only reason they don't do it. Brings the question to the point, if there really is a choice or if everything is just a sequence and we think that we have a choice while we don't. Of course I'm not an atheist yet so I don't think that way.

Alright, then let's talk about near future, how about biological weapon cloning. Creating a virus/monster/harmful entity DNA by altering an already made DNA.

We have evidence that something started them or rather the whole theory (supposing it's true) Because we are here. We are alive and this universe exists, something started them... Unless it started itself. But is it capable of doing that? Too bad it's too hard to grasp what that could be. If this theory is correct, then I call whatever started that, god.

What do you mean there is no evidence. It happened, didn't it? You are alive aren't you? Or are you not, maybe. EDIT: So the hypothesis would then make the universe never ending matter and energy that lives a circular life? So then life is reborn every universal cycle.... It's a neat hypothesis

Yes, the light seems like very hot rods, it seemed so ridiculous I didn't even want to comment on it.

But in the theory there is no time, nor general relation in the compressed universe. And if the universe can't stay under those conditions then why did it?

My favourite moment was when he laughed at the end of FM 34. That touched all my feelings at once.

So the cause of Big Bang is a logical impossibility though. (As the cause is before the event) May I ask who your professor is? (What department)

Kharkov is cool.... it has a nice semi circular city center and you're right, that was random, very random. Welcome to the forums though. For any interested person: Kharkov's centre: I just hope the hazard course will be the mystery episode or some bonus episode later.

I like the way you put it, my professor simply related it to a logical impossibility, like the color of a number. But that generally just leaves people raising their eyebrows as it doesn't really allow for visualization. Are you suggesting that the Big Bang came from a logical impossibility?

And another thing I don't understand is why all scientists try to put a geometrical shape to everything, for example you are talking of earth (A sphere) as if it is the same as time. Why is time a sphere???? Could it not be just an entity that stretches forever, maybe a line if you need geometrical terms.

Force, yes. Is there an intelligence behind said "force", though? Depends on if they are somehow connected.... Force could be god for all I know.

That makes no sense, I thought in atheism, humans are nature, why would humans be any special and since when is there a "balance". Isn't everything natural, including us and our actions.

And that's exactly why I'm talking about rapid cloning technology and not a slow process like the alternative. I don't think it's that impossible as you do and no I don't like Star Wars too much...

+ rep But seriously, I am kind of afraid what the world will be like once the technology is out....

Definetly the mystery episode is going to be about FM now with 34 revealing it. Just after the beating ofc.

That wasn't supposed to be evidence but a question daniel, What is evolution, if not a force. We are going somewhere with evolution, we came from something, that's the work of a force, do you understand me? I mean force is all around us if you look, we age, energy transfers happen all the time because of a force, they don't Just happen Or do you think otherwise?

Dolly was cloned 10 years ago, since then we made a virus and a cell through biological engineering (Of course not the full way but still) Yet, sheep cloning is one thing, once the technology for human cloning is there on the other hand we can just predict or even know the world will be much more vulnerable. What if a madman gets ahold of the technology, it's practically a game of time once the technology is out. What would that do to our ethics? Will these clones then be used for warfare, as perfect soldiers? Seems like we are eventually making a weapon that can outsmart us and which can become more powerful then us. Is that really a good idea? My question is whether you think this can be a serious problem and whether we should avoid it by stopping science to progress in that area. Or should we just sit back and watch how science reveals the secret of human cloning and worry and question for the rest of our lives? That was an expression by the way, of course not that dramatically... PS: I don't know if this is a civilization problem but I feel like it's one of the biggies here noone mentioned.

Are you talking to me? Of course we are having an effect on the climate, but are we having a +5 or a plus 0.00005 effect and is this effect going to change the result dramatically? If we are expecting a natural heat apocalypse anyways what would a -2 Years or a +5 Degrees Celcius do to the already 1 million celcisus destructible heat up. (Not that it works that way) So I'm saying we don't know how Much we area dding and whether it's going for the worse, better, or neutral. So I say, let's slowly try to use other engines without any dramatic economic cutbacks which would kill unnecessary people.

It's not until later that Jesus gave him evidence: That's what atheists want. That's what I want. Evidence of a force behind life? What else could make life if not a force? And to WonSul, why would there need to be eternal force behind eternal force? Eternal force always existed in the monotheist theory.