Dead Game News: Stadia is shutting down

Betruger, Google has authorized a shut down of Stadia.

"Hmm. Google doesn't know the first thing about gaming. All they want is something to make them more money- some 'product'. Don't worry... they will get their 'product'... "

I think the idea of "negative latency" was using AI to predict your move before you actually make it. Which will probably be corrected 95% of the time that it isn't important (like going along a track in a game), and will absolutely not work the remaining 5% where it will be incredibly important (like reacting to someone getting into an accident in front of you).

It's like advertising a mouse controller by the existence of auto aim.

Music, documents, and videos "moved?"

Man, I really don't like the way Doronichev said that. Like that's where "everything" is and if you're trying to get it somewhere else, like your data hoard on your NAS, you're some kind of freak. And I think a lot of people agree with that; I've been worried about it since I heard about Stadia. Choosing to feel hostility to others over the way they consume products for social reasons and not practical reasons isn't r, but that's why you saw so many comments talking about how bad Stadia's service was or how they were sad it was gone.

Maybe another part of the reason you're seeing comments like that is because Google and Reddit deleted everything else.

To many it really DID feel like a continuation of a trend of thinner and thinner clients accessing remote interactive computer services. It felt like it was what was SUPPOSED to happen. Going along with it was the RIGHT thing to do. (Of course it was social engineering that made them think this way.) And it was cheaper up front than a game console. And the service sucked in many places so Google was merely bad for not aiding this trend along its way. We're supposed to own nothing and be happy by 2030 after all.

Of course anyone who thinks that doesn't realize that a computer being a tool for displaying whatever information its owners want, means the user should try have as much control over what the computer does as is humanly possible.

And by the way, it is in fact entirely true that you can't have full control over your PC and use the Windows Store, but in the sense that it's entirely up to Microsoft what the updates do. Just try and stop Windows from sending unsolicited network requests. With an operating system that respects the users freedom you can modify the packages that come in updates however you want. If you've got the patience and skill for it.

I suspect that part of the reason Stadia shut down right now is due to energy prices. If that's the case other services might shut down too, but maybe not, because Stadia didn't run on normal servers, they had custom silicon made for it, and they might not have run anything else very well to the point that it was cheaper to just trash them. Plus the others have different business models. Amazon's Luna I feel like is actually likely to start running exclusives sooner than Microsoft, because Amazon has a large focus on exclusive content already in other media, they were starting to develop some of their own games while Luna was in beta, and they have a much stronger focus on not needing a computer with an Amazon OS to use Amazon services.

Nice video. Always good to see people making an argument against streaming. I think less than half of the music saved on my pc is available on any streaming service and the physical cd's that I have probably gave more money than any streaming service ever did to the artists from my own listening sessions.

Sad to see how the gaming industry wants to kill games with such a passion. The only good reason I can see for streaming games would be for anti-cheat purposes, but is that really a good enough reason? I think not.

On 10/4/2022 at 12:00 AM, luvearlykyary said:

The only good reason I can see for streaming games would be for anti-cheat purposes, but is that really a good enough reason? I think not.

It's especially not a good enough reason, when you consider that the company hardly cares about cheating at all. They might say they do, as an argument in favor of this model, but they don't.

The whole "everything is safe on the cloud" is patently false. There's been stuff removed from the internet archive due to copyright, videos are regularly deleted from or made unlisted on YouTube, artists may remove their songs from Spotify for whatever reason, and so on. The only data that's safe on the cloud is stuff protected by contract, which to the average consumer means very little. All that government and corporate data is kept perfectly safe, locked up tight, and backed up using best practices in server farms protected by armed guards and state-of-the-art fire suppression systems. The data you actually care about? Yeah, that was removed unceremoniously last night.

That Stadia response might be one of the worst I've seen from a gaming industry representative...ever. It's far-and-away worse than the "pride and accomplishment" EA comment from the Battlefront 2 shitshow.  Big "just call me a slur at this point" energy to the whole thing.

I think Stadia might have a chilling effect on game-streaming services, because all the news media focused on Stadia, from its launch all the way to its failure. It's been a high-profile thing, and while that might have still been the case even without the media getting involved, now it's likely that few will try and jump into the space, not when their potential customers' first thought is "isn't this like that Stadia thing that Google killed?" When even Google decides it can't stay in a field, that might discourage other companies from trying.

you mentioned this before, however i do still enjoy the irony that corporatist bullshit ruining internet service is why this other corporatist bullshit died

On 10/4/2022 at 1:59 AM, probablygonna said:

Like that's where "everything" is and if you're trying to get it somewhere else, like your data hoard on your NAS, you're some kind of freak.

Sweeping generalizations is such a cheap and low-grade manipulative technique that whenever shameless corporate f*cks make them, my subconsciousness simply ignores them. Remember the "nobody wants to play singleplayer games anymore" "consensus" that was around right when Witcher 3 was released?

On 10/4/2022 at 5:36 AM, ScumCoder said:

Sweeping generalizations is such a cheap and low-grade manipulative technique that whenever shameless corporate f*cks make them, my subconsciousness simply ignores them. Remember the "nobody wants to play singleplayer games anymore" "consensus" that was around right when Witcher 3 was released?

It's not manipulative, atleast not intentionally. Those people live in a world of spreadsheets and tredlines, not in gaming for gaming sake. They are only parrot the conclusions they reach inside their boardrooms 

I think everyone saw this coming. In the US where internet can be extremely hit or miss depending on where you live and what ISP you can get (or are forced into), it seemed too early to push streaming games at any real quality. Of course data caps make it a lot harder to get it to work and Google's response to speed, bandwidth and data cap problems was "we think ISPs will fix it" which yeah that totally happened. The other big problem is it being a google product at all which means that its always destined to die off in a rather pathetic, embarrassing manner.

Ross mentioned the idea of stadia existing as an alternative way to play a game and I think that if it was just that, I wouldn't care personally but when it gets exclusive games is when it becomes a completely separate issue. Its fine for someone to not want to have the hardware to run things locally especially with GPUs getting more expensive and needing more power which means spending even more on a desktop. The overall animosity towards streaming games is unwarranted so long as the option to play the game locally (IE exists on a different platform PC, PS4, switch) exists such as streaming versions of Kingdom Hearts on the switch versus playing them on literally anything else. Everything else does give a far better experience but if all you have is a switch and you don't want to buy another console or drop a grand or more on desktop then its fine. If it was a streaming exclusive on the switch then it would be a lot different and then its no longer fine.

Gylt developer (Tequila Works) tweeted that the game will be ported to other platforms and made available sometime next year.

On 10/3/2022 at 10:16 PM, Im_CIA said:

Betruger, Google has authorized a shut down of Stadia.

 

 

"Hmm. Google doesn't know the first thing about gaming. All they want is something to make them more money- some 'product'. Don't worry... they will get their 'product'... "

Remember when

Remember when Google's search engine used to be vastly more powerful, precise, efficient and helpful than any other, their corporate code of conduct laid down by the founders literally contained the phrase "don't be evil" and that was the unofficial company motto, but then one day the new executive chairman declared that ever since he joined the company he had considered the phrase to be "the stupidest rule ever" because "there's no book about evil except maybe, you know, the Bible or something" and then it was quietly changed to "do the right thing" and then later just dropped entirely?

Maybe laissez-faire capitalism is indeed the best system at encouraging innovation and entrepreneurialism (I've yet to see conclusive logical proof of this, however), but the sad truth seems to be that it's a perverse, desperate death-race to create new, good companies in order to wrest a little power back from the previous, mature and now-terrifyingly-powerful crop of companies faster than they can be corrupted into entrenched malignity by that exact same system.  There's no way to fight them directly once they've grown so vast; the only way to beat them is to invent something that makes their product obsolete, and corner the market faster than they can copy it; if their product cannot be surpassed before they reach maturity and the sociopaths take over and consolidate their position, the old company retains its power and become an unstoppable monster.

On 10/4/2022 at 2:44 AM, Shaddy said:

That Stadia response might be one of the worst I've seen from a gaming industry representative...ever. It's far-and-away worse than the "pride and accomplishment" EA comment from the Battlefront 2 shitshow.  Big "just call me a slur at this point" energy to the whole thing.

 

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." ― Upton Sinclair

On 10/3/2022 at 11:59 PM, probablygonna said:

We're supposed to own nothing and be happy by 2030 after all.

They hysterically told us for a century that communism is bad, and must be fought tooth and nail to one's dying breath, because under that one literally can't own anything*, and now all other economic options have been neutralised in the public perception they openly declare that the endgame for capitalism is to make all goods into services - at which point we regular peons really would own literally nothing - and expect us to simply acquiesce.

If ever an accusation turned out to be an unconscious confession of intent all along, it was surely that.

*Untrue, by the way; Marxian economics draws a key distinction between private property ("capital"), and personal property.  Strictly speaking, hard socialism and communism only really forbid that the former be treated as the latter, whereas capitalism by practical definition treats them as synonymous.

On 10/9/2022 at 5:51 AM, Tom said:

They hysterically told us for a century that communism is bad, and must be fought tooth and nail to one's dying breath, because under that one literally can't own anything*, and now all other economic options have been neutralised in the public perception they openly declare that the endgame for capitalism is to make all goods into services - at which point we regular peons really would own literally nothing - and expect us to simply acquiesce.

If ever an accusation turned out to be an unconscious confession of intent all along, it was surely that.

*Untrue, by the way; Marxian economics draws a key distinction between private property ("capital"), and personal property.  Strictly speaking, hard socialism and communism only really forbid that the former be treated as the latter, whereas capitalism by practical definition treats them as synonymous.

 

There are no stages, grand plans, or endgames for capitalism and it shouldn't be framed that way. People want something they don't have, and they usually go about getting it using the path of least resistance- everything is else is made up on the fly along the way 

On 10/9/2022 at 2:51 AM, Tom said:

in the public perception they openly declare that the endgame for capitalism is to make all goods into services

Bold of you to assume it would stop there.

On 10/3/2022 at 6:59 PM, probablygonna said:

Music, documents, and videos "moved?"

Man, I really don't like the way Doronichev said that. Like that's where "everything" is and if you're trying to get it somewhere else, like your data hoard on your NAS, you're some kind of freak.

A while back, there was a commercial for Chromebooks that was like, to transfer your files from your existing computer, "Just log into your Google account, and all your files are right there." Like... wow, really? So it's just going to instantly and automagically transfer the entire contents of my old PC into their cloud thing without so much as a request to confirm from the other end? Of course, that's not what they meant. They were talking about Google Docs and... whatever their cloud backup service is called, I guess. They were banking on their potential customers having already made the switch to using those exclusively and having nothing left that they would miss.

Which is a hell of a bold assumption, obviously. Granted, truth-in-advertising laws being what they are, they could just as casually claim the thing can fly you to the moon if they thought people would believe it and lose out on nothing more than the hassle of processing the returns, so it's not necessarily evidence that any of them actually believe it. But you do have to wonder. I think the exact types of bullshit companies ultimately choose to peddle to the masses says a lot about them.