On 12/31/2021 at 1:31 AM, BTGBullseye said:Essentially what I'm getting at is, this stuff sounds great on paper, but can't work in reality because it's got humans involved.
Not to sound rude but I hate that answer so god damn much, because its such a non answer. we went to the god damn moon on a rocket ship but having a large scale society that doesn't suck is too hard because "human nature just be like that". I feel like that's just a massive excuse not to do anything or try to dream big.
At the risk of sounding like I'm saying "I know they failed but I'm different" I'm going to go out there and say the vast majority of the time the reason why is seems like only a handful of governing systems work is because experimenting is hard and dangerous for everyone involved, not because there isn't something better. You can't just declare you podunk town independent and start establishing rules unique to it, people will get nervous about if they'll get fed, and the surrounding governments will either get pissed or greedy if you somehow succeed. Thats half of the reason why a system like this hasn't worked right there. The other half is because of technology and resources. You wanna know the difference between articles of confederation America and now? Mass production, general education, Massive logistics keeping computers, the ability to have roughly 5% of the population dedicated to farming rather than 70% like we used to.
Also I have to say citation needed on the republic of cooperatives in the first place because I have to doubt that early America was ran by cooperatives instead of landowners and contemporary corporations ran by stock holders or a handful of individuals like the CEO and their cousin rather than the whole workforce with board members elected through democratic practices. My biggest source of doubt on that claim is that well over half of the people who were in politics at the time were slave owners, which isnt really telling me they cared about listening to their workforce much if they didnt have to.