The response is slightly out of order because I there is an important thing I need to point out.
On 1/24/2022 at 10:07 PM, Shaddy said:Hate speech moderation isn't just to keep forums clean, but because a place that's safe for one creep is a place that's safe for many. The moment these types are allowed to congregate uncontested, they start bringing their friends, and they will try to enforce themselves on the rest of the community.
I didn't think of this. :( My bad. I had in my mind a rambling-hobo-style person that thinks Jews are controlling everything and also the water if fluoridated to affect our precious fluids and bend our minds (or whatever it was). Also, the gold standard. Because that is approximately the kind of people I had contact with in the wild, including on old phpBB forums. And as far as I remember, the usual protocol for handling them involved rolling your eyes and maybe ignoring them when they start rambling and only banning them if they actually started promoting or glorifying hatred of Jews. Of which I basically remember there being a single instance where a person "had fun" with a GIF of Hitler and got banned for a week or so. They didn't repeat the offense. (P.S. There may have been another one who unapologetically posted some GIFs from concentration camps, but it could be just my hazy memory. Maybe it was the same person.)
And speaking of rambling hobos,
On 1/24/2022 at 10:07 PM, Shaddy said:Are we implying that people asking the jewish question are simply insane, a threat that extends no further than mental institutions? Because I don't think that's true. When I look at Richard Spencer or David Duke or whoever, I don't see someone whose brain is wrong.
I settled on just that explanation. For me, saying that "Jews control everything" is on the same level as saying "our precious bodily fluids". I don't want to imply they have an actual mental disorder (like a DSM diagnosis), but I'm pretty sure something went haywire upstairs. Let me elaborate.
When we, as humans, describe the world, we describe certain entities in that world, and rules by which the world behaves. And causations. And generally there is a well-agreed upon, but unwritten, algorithm for arriving to high level, intelligent descriptions of complex real world phenomena. Generally, that unwritten algorithm will not allow a person to conclude that "Jews control the world". So if a person does conclude that, then basically they didn't follow the algorithm. Maybe their brains are busted (like maybe they have an actual disorder that just didn't make it into DSM but will eventually), or maybe they are too young and are simply making understandable errors of judgment, or maybe they are old but were making those errors so long and so hard their brains ossified into a pathologic thought pattern (making them literally unable to formulate unerroneous thoughts) or maybe - maybe they are consciously and intentionally generating erroneous thoughts. Maybe they are even making those thoughts will full purpose of having erroneous, even evil, thoughts (like, maybe they are satanists and doing evil is part of their religious practice).
Whatever the matter, I think it's sensible to conclude in all of these circumstances, that they are "crazy". They are not behaving as intelligence dictates so they are by definition crazy. There might be a better word, but "beside intelligence" is the concept. Bible would call this "foolishness", particularly if it is done with understanding and intent.
On 1/24/2022 at 10:07 PM, Shaddy said:This is generally incorrect. Pretty much all the data we have on deplatforming has shown it to be effective both in reducing harmful influence and in decreasing that attitude in users spreading it.
Ugh, "deplatforming" is a dirty word because of all the Woke Cancel Culture. Anyways, I haven't seen the data, and when I do I'll remember that it needs to be interpreted carefully and with nuance. Deplatforming is quite a spectrum.
Also, I had to look up Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 1978), David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950). Quite the cookies. I'm amazed such people exist, and I'm even more amazed they have more then 50 followers each. And I also had to look up Unite the Right. I heard of the Charlottesville riot but never got around to investigate the matter.
On 1/25/2022 at 2:10 AM, HeartaceX said:Man, Holocaust talk...
I though you were just trying to save the forums!
Well, you will know a community by seeing how it handles explosive topics. :) This forum topic might generate more newcomers down the line. :) EDIT: BY WHICH I DIDN'T MEAN I AM SOME SORT OF A RECON FOR NAZIS!