Taxes and Soft Prostitution

[kerdios]

speaking of only fans

[Im_CIA]

4 hours ago, kerdios said:

speaking of only fans

Woah, isn't that the guy who invented linux!!??

[kerdios]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/lawsuits-onlyfans-bribed-instagram-to-put-creators-on-terrorist-blacklist/

[FoolOfWorms]

I take some issue with how this is phrased, largely in that you don't seem to think these people have skills or talent in their field.

Do you think just about anyone can make a decent living on sex work? If so, I have to tell you that this is incorrect.

also, why do you think that pornography is a bubble? Do you think in some future down the line (that I personally do not wish to be a part of) that it will be banned or not as profitable to make people sexually aroused?

Your entire premise is predicated upon the idea that sex work is not in any way valuable and that it will eventually be replaced, somehow.

Please clarify so I don't think you are just being a weird puritanical sexist, I really do not wanna make that assumption.

[Im_CIA]

On 8/31/2022 at 3:19 AM, FoolOfWorms said:

I take some issue with how this is phrased, largely in that you don't seem to think these people have skills or talent in their field.

Do you think just about anyone can make a decent living on sex work? If so, I have to tell you that this is incorrect.

also, why do you think that pornography is a bubble? Do you think in some future down the line (that I personally do not wish to be a part of) that it will be banned or not as profitable to make people sexually aroused?

Your entire premise is predicated upon the idea that sex work is not in any way valuable and that it will eventually be replaced, somehow.

Please clarify so I don't think you are just being a weird puritanical sexist, I really do not wanna make that assumption.

You don't need a degree or any sort of special training to do sex work. Yes it's hard, the same way being a batista can be hard, but it's still unskilled labor.

[kerdios]

On 9/1/2022 at 10:14 PM, Im_CIA said:

...Yes it's hard, the same way being a batista can be hard, ...

[Deep Dive Devin]

Unskilled labor is a classist myth to justify poverty wages, just so we're all clear.

[Im_CIA]

On 9/1/2022 at 8:58 PM, Shaddy said:

Unskilled labor is a classist myth to justify poverty wages, just so we're all clear.

No it's not. Why create obtuse abstractions around simple laws of supply and demand?

 

100 million can work a cash register, but only a 100 can fix a satellite. Everyone is paid in what the employer and employee agree on what the labor is worth. 

[FoolOfWorms]

On 9/1/2022 at 3:14 PM, Im_CIA said:

You don't need a degree or any sort of special training to do sex work. Yes it's hard, the same way being a batista can be hard, but it's still unskilled labor.

I don't know how to explain to you in a way that isn't a condescending waste of both of our time that "unskilled" labor still requires specific physical, emotional, and mental abilities to do well and in a way that will actually pay out.

Please, go ahead and post the onlyfans where you, personally, shove an 8 in dragon dildo up your ass if you think otherwise.

 

I mean if its so unskilled that just about anyone could do it, why don't YOU take advantage of it? I mean sure you say its difficult but not difficult enough to warrant respect. You phrase it as though its some sort of minor inconvenience and not a massive commitment that can impact your life in some pretty serious ways, especially if you take it seriously as a source of income.
You phrase it as though its something you can just do, as though its not something that requires a lot of confidence and emotional intelligence to not only agree to, but maintain.

You phrase it as though you don't need a lot of talent and ability to maintain an audience's attention in a crowd with so many people
You also directly said you don't need to train when you can very easily rip your ass if your not careful.
its the oldest profession on earth, treat it with a little respect.

On 9/1/2022 at 10:45 PM, Im_CIA said:

No it's not. Why create obtuse abstractions around simple laws of supply and demand?

In case you don't understand what I'm trying to say with the above, you wanna know whats in demand for everyone?
Time
sure 100 million could theoretically deal with the bullshit of about 100 people coming in and out of a store every single day and having to accept they are working on behalf of people like you, who don't seem to appreciate the fact that the only reason why they are working there in the first place is because not everyone wants to have to dig through boxes to find what they need and figure out what costs what, but that doesn't mean everyone fucking wants to or is emotionally prepared to handle a job that not only pays shit but treats you like shit too.
You are talking like there isn't a major labor shortage crisis for a lot of companies.

 

Do you think the labor crisis is because "people just don't wanna work"? A lie that has been propagated by corporate heads as a nothing complaint about their own personal failings as bosses? nah
It's because, on average the majority of "unskilled labor" jobs do not carry basic benefits and pay minimum wage, which at this point is well below the cost of living.
It's because the majority of companies in the US union bust as much as they possibly can, preventing any sort of change in how much people are paid and what benefits they can have.
Its because a large portion of the people who didn't have another option in order to survive, fucking died of covid due to companies pushing the end of quarantine in order to keep up their profits.

and don't worry! It is, in no small part, because of people who think unskilled labor isn't important and valuable enough to properly compensate, which sounds like something you are saying.

On 9/1/2022 at 10:45 PM, Im_CIA said:

 Everyone is paid in what the employer and employee agree on what the labor is worth. 

You can't agree to terms you are born into. Nor can you meaningfully agree to terms that cause you to starve to death if you do not comply.
You can't tell me people "choose" to work 3 minimum wage jobs when their alternative was to let their children go hungry while they try and find a way to train for a better one.
Unskilled jobs are jobs that need doing. Just because more people can do them doesn't mean they don't need doing and doing right. PAYING PEOPLE is a good way to make sure of that.
Fucking taxing them is a good way to make sure you not only get no porn, but make every sex worker AND minimum wage worker fucking hate you if they ever find out you think like this.

Edited September 2, 2022 by FoolOfWorms (see edit history)

[Im_CIA]

On 9/1/2022 at 11:34 PM, FoolOfWorms said:

I don't know how to explain to you in a way that isn't a condescending waste of both of our time that "unskilled" labor still requires specific physical, emotional, and mental abilities to do well and in a way that will actually pay out.

Please, go ahead and post the onlyfans where you, personally, shove an 8 in dragon dildo up your ass if you think otherwise.

 

I mean if its so unskilled that just about anyone could do it, why don't YOU take advantage of it? I mean sure you say its difficult but not difficult enough to warrant respect. You phrase it as though its some sort of minor inconvenience and not a massive commitment that can impact your life in some pretty serious ways, especially if you take it seriously as a source of income.
You phrase it as though its something you can just do, as though its not something that requires a lot of confidence and emotional intelligence to not only agree to, but maintain.

You phrase it as though you don't need a lot of talent and ability to maintain an audience's attention in a crowd with so many people
You also directly said you don't need to train when you can very easily rip your ass if your not careful.
its the oldest profession on earth, treat it with a little respect.

In case you don't understand what I'm trying to say with the above, you wanna know whats in demand for everyone?
Time
sure 100 million could theoretically deal with the bullshit of about 100 people coming in and out of a store every single day and having to accept they are working on behalf of people like you, who don't seem to appreciate the fact that the only reason why they are working there in the first place is because not everyone wants to have to dig through boxes to find what they need and figure out what costs what, but that doesn't mean everyone fucking wants to or is emotionally prepared to handle a job that not only pays shit but treats you like shit too.
You are talking like there isn't a major labor shortage crisis for a lot of companies.

 

Do you think the labor crisis is because "people just don't wanna work"? A lie that has been propagated by corporate heads as a nothing complaint about their own personal failings as bosses? nah
It's because, on average the majority of "unskilled labor" jobs do not carry basic benefits and pay minimum wage, which at this point is well below the cost of living.
It's because the majority of companies in the US union bust as much as they possibly can, preventing any sort of change in how much people are paid and what benefits they can have.
Its because a large portion of the people who didn't have another option in order to survive, fucking died of covid due to companies pushing the end of quarantine in order to keep up their profits.

and don't worry! It is, in no small part, because of people who think unskilled labor isn't important and valuable enough to properly compensate, which sounds like something you are saying.

You can't agree to terms you are born into. Nor can you meaningfully agree to terms that cause you to starve to death if you do not comply.
You can't tell me people "choose" to work 3 minimum wage jobs when their alternative was to let their children go hungry while they try and find a way to train for a better one.
Unskilled jobs are jobs that need doing. Just because more people can do them doesn't mean they don't need doing and doing right. PAYING PEOPLE is a good way to make sure of that.
Fucking taxing them is a good way to make sure you not only get no porn, but make every sex worker AND minimum wage worker fucking hate you if they ever find out you think like this.

 

I don't think there is point in continuing. We're not going to convince each other of anything because this will just dilute to masterbatory verbal fencing. You can take this is as me conceding if you want. It doesn't matter. 

 

 

 

But know this. Along with Shaddy, you are now my NEMESIS

[FoolOfWorms]

On 9/4/2022 at 8:57 PM, Im_CIA said:

I don't think there is point in continuing. We're not going to convince each other of anything because this will just dilute to masterbatory verbal fencing. You can take this is as me conceding if you want. It doesn't matter. 

 

 

 

But know this. Along with Shaddy, you are now my NEMESIS

If you are going to make a post and then not bother defending your point without conceding that you were wrong then why even bother posting a post that you knew was going to cause debate?

[Im_CIA]

On 9/5/2022 at 5:42 PM, FoolOfWorms said:

If you are going to make a post and then not bother defending your point without conceding that you were wrong then why even bother posting a post that you knew was going to cause debate?

I made the post a while ago. Now my interest has waned and I dont really feel like wallowing in righteous indignation at the moment. So let's just say you're right.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Im_CIA (see edit history)