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Arseniy Yavorśkyi

Arseniy Yavorśkyi

responding to Psychotic Ninja:

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4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

Huh, it's almost as if the issue you have has nothing to do with the difficulty in games, and more with how Ross chose to play a certain game.

it's almost like you're using a fallacy to support an illogical argument. difficulty in games is an issue I always took interest in — the Ross incident gave me a reason to bring it up on this forum.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

He didn't play it the way you wanted him to play it. No, he played it the way he wanted to.

doing what you want doesn't always give the best results. Ross ignored the advice of experienced players, and instead did what he always does in that kind of situation. in my opinion, this time he's worse for it. we can argue about specifics, about which way to play is better in which situation. but just because the decision was his doesn't automatically make it a correct one. to say otherwise is fallacious.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

I could be angry and upset at people not breaking FF8 to insane levels on their first playthrough, but I'm not. I could be angry and upset at people who don't beat KH2 FM on Critical Mode (Level 1) on their second playthrough, but I'm not. Should Speedrunners be angry and upset when people don't speedrun their favorite game? I don't get upset when people don't optimize their playthrough of FFX and go for Penance. I don't get upset when people don't optimize their Augments in FF IV 3D/DS, especially in NG+.

the insinuation that I expect unreasonably high-level performance from a first-time player is completely baseless. nobody expected or wanted him to play perfectly. in fact, it's the opposite — I was quite surprised by how well Ross did in that stream, as were many other viewers.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

If Ross hates the gameplay/difficulty of the Souls games, but loves the lore, he should be able to explore the games at his own pace. He shouldn't have to rely on others and their styles to get the lore.

except cheating is not a style of playing, it's a way to bypass the 'playing' part of the game.

 

as for story and lore — I've already made my point about those things not having the intended impact with cheats. if we suddenly get an hour-long Game Dungeon episode with Ross enthusiastically rambling about Souls lore, I'll happily eat my words. but, as of now, there's not a single bit of evidence that suggest he's gotten into it.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

I mean, using your logic, wouldn't Ross not get the experience of defeating a difficult boss? He didn't beat the boss, someone else did.

using my logic, he would've gotten more out this game by watching a let's play than by cheating. he still wouldn't get the full experience, but he'd at least see someone else get it, which is better than nothing.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

Ross can make the game easier. Not one shot everything easier, but easier if he so chooses.

either I'm not getting you, or you mixed something up. one-hit-kill is literally the cheat he used, along with invincibility.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

At the end of the day, how one plays a game is their own choice and no one, not you, not me, not even Ross's wife has any right to tell him "you're playing the game wrong".

we have the right to tell him whatever we want. what we can't do (or have any right to do) is to force him to do something, which is not something I ever had any intention of doing.

 

I'll try to put this in the least confrontational way I can, so listen carefully. there were too many fallacies in your post. if you are interested in having an actual discussion about the topic at hand, I suggest you be honest with me from now on. don't try to make me waste my time on dismantling statements that don't make any logical sense.

 

Arseniy Yavorśkyi

Arseniy Yavorśkyi

responding to Psychotic Ninja:

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 4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

Huh, it's almost as if the issue you have has nothing to do with the difficulty in games, and more with how Ross chose to play a certain game.

it's almost like you're using a fallacy to support an illogical argument. difficulty in games is an issue I always took interest in — the Ross incident gave me a reason to bring it up on this forum.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

He didn't play it the way you wanted him to play it. No, he played it the way he wanted to.

doing what you want doesn't always give the best results. Ross ignored the advice of experienced players, and instead did what he always does in that kind of situation. in my opinion, this time he's worse for it. we can argue about specifics, about which way to play is better in which situation. but just because the decision was his doesn't automatically make it a correct one. to say otherwise is fallacious.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

I could be angry and upset at people not breaking FF8 to insane levels on their first playthrough, but I'm not. I could be angry and upset at people who don't beat KH2 FM on Critical Mode (Level 1) on their second playthrough, but I'm not. Should Speedrunners be angry and upset when people don't speedrun their favorite game? I don't get upset when people don't optimize their playthrough of FFX and go for Penance. I don't get upset when people don't optimize their Augments in FF IV 3D/DS, especially in NG+.

the insinuation that I expect unreasonably high-level performance from a first-time player is completely baseless. nobody expected or wanted him to play perfectly. in fact, it's the opposite — I was quite surprised by how well Ross did in that stream, as were many other viewers.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

If Ross hates the gameplay/difficulty of the Souls games, but loves the lore, he should be able to explore the games at his own pace. He shouldn't have to rely on others and their styles to get the lore.

except cheating is not a style of playing, it's a way to bypass the 'playing' part of the game.

 

as for story and lore — I've already made my point about those things not having the intended impact with cheats. if we suddenly get an hour-long Game Dungeon episode with Ross enthusiastically rambling about Souls lore, I'll happily eat my words. but, as of now, there's not a single bit of evidence that suggest he's gotten into it.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

I mean, using your logic, wouldn't Ross not get the experience of defeating a difficult boss? He didn't beat the boss, someone else did.

using my logic, he would've gotten more out this game by watching a let's play than by cheating. he still wouldn't get the full experience, but he'd at least see someone else get it, which is better than nothing.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

Ross can make the game easier. Not one shot everything easier, but easier if he so chooses.

either I'm not getting you, or you mixed something up. one-hit-kill is literally the cheat he used, along with invincibility.

4 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

At the end of the day, how one plays a game is their own choice and no one, not you, not me, not even Ross's wife has any right to tell him "you're playing the game wrong".

we have the right to tell him whatever we want. what we can't do (or have any right to do) is to force him to do something, which is not something I ever had any intention of doing.

 

I'll try to put this in the least confrontational way I can, so listen carefully. there were too many fallacies in your post. if you are interested in having an actual discussion about topic at hand, I suggest you be honest with me from now on. don't try to waste my time on dismantling statements that don't make any logical sense.

 

Arseniy Yavorśkyi

Arseniy Yavorśkyi

1 hour ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

Huh, it's almost as if the issue you have has nothing to do with the difficulty in games, and more with how Ross chose to play a certain game.

it's almost like you're using a fallacy to support an illogical argument. difficulty in games is an issue I always took interest in — the Ross incident gave me a reason to bring it up on this forum.

1 hour ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

He didn't play it the way you wanted him to play it. No, he played it the way he wanted to.

doing what you want doesn't always give the best results. Ross ignored the advice of experienced players, and instead did what he always does in that kind of situation. in my opinion, this time he's worse for it. we can argue about specifics, about which way to play is better in which situation. but just because the decision was his doesn't automatically make it a correct one. to say otherwise is fallacious.

2 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

I could be angry and upset at people not breaking FF8 to insane levels on their first playthrough, but I'm not. I could be angry and upset at people who don't beat KH2 FM on Critical Mode (Level 1) on their second playthrough, but I'm not. Should Speedrunners be angry and upset when people don't speedrun their favorite game? I don't get upset when people don't optimize their playthrough of FFX and go for Penance. I don't get upset when people don't optimize their Augments in FF IV 3D/DS, especially in NG+.

the insinuation that I expect unreasonably high-level performance from a first-time player is completely baseless. nobody expected or wanted him to play perfectly. in fact, it's the opposite — I was quite surprised by how well Ross did in that stream, as were many other viewers.

2 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

If Ross hates the gameplay/difficulty of the Souls games, but loves the lore, he should be able to explore the games at his own pace. He shouldn't have to rely on others and their styles to get the lore.

except cheating is not a style of playing, it's a way to bypass the 'playing' part of the game.

 

as for story and lore — I've already made my point about those things not having the intended impact with cheats. if we suddenly get an hour-long Game Dungeon episode with Ross enthusiastically rambling about Souls lore, I'll happily eat my words. but, as of now, there's not a single bit of evidence that suggest he's gotten into it.

3 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

I mean, using your logic, wouldn't Ross not get the experience of defeating a difficult boss? He didn't beat the boss, someone else did.

using my logic, he would've gotten more out this game by watching a let's play than by cheating. he still wouldn't get the full experience, but he'd at least see someone else get it, which is better than nothing.

3 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

Ross can make the game easier. Not one shot everything easier, but easier if he so chooses.

either I'm not getting you, or you mixed something up. one-hit-kill is literally the cheat he used, along with invincibility.

3 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

At the end of the day, how one plays a game is their own choice and no one, not you, not me, not even Ross's wife has any right to tell him "you're playing the game wrong".

we have the right to tell him whatever we want. what we can't do (or have any right to do) is to force him to do something, which is not something I ever had any intention of doing.

 

I'll try to put this in the least confrontational way I can, so listen carefully. there were too many fallacies in your post. if you are interested in having an actual discussion about topic at hand, I suggest you be honest with me from now on. don't try to waste my time on dismantling statements that don't make any logical sense.

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