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20 hours ago, Isaiah said:

This helps me understand your actual objectives a lot better but it's also completely unrelated to the issues I was trying to point out.

I'm not really looking to get into an argument about this, but you're accusing me of being contradictory, which I don't appreciate unless it's accurate (like what I said on memorization, fair enough).  So please, specify with no uncertainty, what did I say regarding targets where I'm being contradictory?  I want easy to hit targets with low travel time.

 

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Think I understand the reason for these seeming contradictions and inconsistencies now. It's due to the fact you're mixing up two entirely different issues:

 

• Loosing your current workflow when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10.
• Developing the most efficient GUI possible, regardless of OS.

Sorry if I wasn't clear here.  I'm not seeking to keep my current workflow.  I want something BETTER.  Moving from 7 to 10 is the catalyst.  10 struck me as shutting down more options, since it's hostile to custom shells, and updates will wreck some 3rd party programs with no consideration for customization. 

 

As for being incoherent, I can be guilty on that one.  GUIs are very complex, I'm juggling dozens of thoughts on this in my head, so sometimes it doesn't always come out clearly, even though there actually is merit behind the thought.

 

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However, when I pointed out a feature of Windows 10 that works exactly like, or very similar to, your CURRENT setup, you either dismissed it as not IDEAL or bragged that you've already had that feature long before Windows did.

2 responses to this:

1. Something that has the same functionality as what I have now, but is LESS efficient, I see as a downgrade.  The suggestions I saw you mentioning all struck me as accomplishing the same goal, but in ways that take more time.  It's more than just whether it can do what I was doing.  It's about whether it can do what I need as well or even BETTER than what I had before.  If somebody wants a new convertible because their old one has damage, and there is a new convertible available, but it only tops out at 45mph, they're not going to see that as a good answer.

 

2. As for bragging about having an option a lot earlier, I could have been mixing up my responses to other comments I saw, I forget.  Some people have pointed out that me using old software is ludicrous, whereas when I set this up, the options I wanted simply didn't exist by standard means, so I went with what did work, and didn't always keep up with what changed, often because new OS's would wreck options.  Part of that is me being behind the curve, but when I see how old software was sometimes ahead in some ways to what's even available NOW, it makes me frustrated with the entire situation.  In other words, look at it like this:

Old software:

-Could do functions A, B, and C

New software:

-Can do functions, A and B.  Does function A even better than the old software, does function B more poorly.  Can't even do function C.

 

 

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The problem here is that you're actually putting the burden of finding GUI "enlightenment" on the shoulders of everyone except yourself. The video could be summarized as "This all sucks and could be way better but I'm not an expert so I want you to show me how to fix it".  No offense but this is the easiest criticism anyone can make about literally anything because it doesn't require any real proof or effort from the person making it. So it's not surprising at all to have people ask for some kind of tangible course of action since you're making such a bold claim.

Listen, you say you're trying to help me, but you're either concern trolling now, or you're unaware of your own bias on this to say something like that.  Yes, I'm not an expert, and yes I'm seeking help from others.  But insinuating I provided no proof or effort on this topic?  Why do think the video was so long?  Here's what I did do:

 

-I showed my existing desktop and a few optimizations it had, even though I recognize it's very flawed

-I showed time trials how launching frequently used programs was faster in my method than the Windows default

-I proposed a pie menu system for rapidly launching software

-I recognized the potential of a custom keypad that's ergonomically designed for hotkey deployment

-I found research demonstrating that flat themes are objectively slower for users.

-I proposed mouse gestures as a way of doing things more rapidly and suggested some fundamentals for coming up with styles

-I gave a list of programs that I think are taking us in the right direction for customization as a starting point, suggesting possible implementations

-Demonstrated objective advantages for not having a close button in web browsers.

-Gave specific changes that should be made to an existing pie menu launcher for maximum efficiency

 

Think what you want, but if you watched my video and then say I'm making the easiest criticism possible and making no effort for trying to advance the GUI, then that's a troll move, whether you mean it that way or not.

 

20 hours ago, Isaiah said:

This helps me understand your actual objectives a lot better but it's also completely unrelated to the issues I was trying to point out.

I'm not really looking to get into an argument about this, but you're accusing me of being contradictory, which I don't appreciate unless it's accurate (like what I said on memorization, fair enough).  So please, specify with no uncertainty, what did I say regarding targets where I'm being contradictory?  I want easy to hit targets with low travel time.

 

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Think I understand the reason for these seeming contradictions and inconsistencies now. It's due to the fact you're mixing up two entirely different issues:

 

• Loosing your current workflow when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10.
• Developing the most efficient GUI possible, regardless of OS.

Sorry if I wasn't clear here.  I'm not seeking to keep my current workflow.  I want something BETTER.  Moving from 7 to 10 is the catalyst.  10 struck me as shutting down more options, since it's hostile to custom shells, and updates will wreck some 3rd party programs with no consideration for customization. 

 

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However, when I pointed out a feature of Windows 10 that works exactly like, or very similar to, your CURRENT setup, you either dismissed it as not IDEAL or bragged that you've already had that feature long before Windows did.

2 responses to this:

1. Something that has the same functionality as what I have now, but is LESS efficient, I see as a downgrade.  The suggestions I saw you mentioning all struck me as accomplishing the same goal, but in ways that take more time.  It's more than just whether it can do what I was doing.  It's about whether it can do what I need as well or even BETTER than what I have before.  If somebody wants a new convertible because their old one has damage, and there is a new convertible available, but it only tops out at 45mph, they're not going to see that as an answer.

 

2. As for bragging about having an option a lot earlier, I could have been mixing up my responses to other comments I saw, I forget.  Some people have pointed out that me using old software is ludicrous, whereas when I set this up, the options I wanted simply didn't exist by standard means, so I went with what did work, and didn't always keep up with what changed, often because new OS's would wreck options.  Part of that is me being behind the curve, but when I see how old software was sometimes ahead in some ways to what's even available NOW, it makes me frustrated with the entire situation.  In other words, look at it like this:

Old software:

-Could do functions A, B, and C

New software:

-Can do functions, A and B.  Does function A even better than the old software, does function B more poorly.  Can't even do function C.

 

 

Quote

 

The problem here is that you're actually putting the burden of finding GUI "enlightenment" on the shoulders of everyone except yourself. The video could be summarized as "This all sucks and could be way better but I'm not an expert so I want you to show me how to fix it".  No offense but this is the easiest criticism anyone can make about literally anything because it doesn't require any real proof or effort from the person making it. So it's not surprising at all to have people ask for some kind of tangible course of action since you're making such a bold claim.

Listen, you say you're trying to help me, but you're either concern trolling now, or you're unaware of your own bias on this to say something like that.  Yes, I'm not an expert, and yes I'm seeking help from others.  But insinuating I provided no proof or effort on this topic?  Why do think the video was so long?  Here's what I did do:

 

-I showed my existing desktop and a few optimizations it had, even though I recognize it's very flawed

-I showed time trials how launching frequently used programs was faster in my method than the Windows default

-I proposed a pie menu system for rapidly launching software

-I recognized the potential of a custom keypad that's ergonomically designed for hotkey deployment

-I found research demonstrating that flat themes are objectively slower for users.

-I proposed mouse gestures as a way of doing things more rapidly and suggested some fundamentals for coming up with styles

-I gave a list of programs that I think are taking us in the right direction for customization as a starting point, suggesting possible implementations

-Demonstrated objective advantages for not having a close button in web browsers.

-Gave specific changes that should be made to an existing pie menu launcher for maximum efficiency

 

Think what you want, but if you watched my video and then say I'm making the easiest criticism possible and making no effort for trying to advance the GUI, then that's a troll move, whether you mean it that way or not.

20 hours ago, Isaiah said:

This helps me understand your actual objectives a lot better but it's also completely unrelated to the issues I was trying to point out.

I'm not really looking to get into an argument about this, but you're accusing me of being contradictory, which I don't appreciate unless it's accurate (like what I said on memorization, fair enough).  So please, specify with no uncertainty, what did I say regarding targets where I'm being contradictory?  I want easy to hit targets with low travel time.

 

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Think I understand the reason for these seeming contradictions and inconsistencies now. It's due to the fact you're mixing up two entirely different issues:

 

• Loosing your current workflow when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10.
• Developing the most efficient GUI possible, regardless of OS.

Sorry if I wasn't clear here.  I'm not seeking to keep my current workflow.  I want something BETTER.  Moving from 7 to 10 is the catalyst.  10 struck me as shutting down more options, since it's hostile to custom shells, and updates will wreck some 3rd party programs with no consideration for customization. 

 

Quote

 

However, when I pointed out a feature of Windows 10 that works exactly like, or very similar to, your CURRENT setup, you either dismissed it as not IDEAL or bragged that you've already had that feature long before Windows did.

2 responses to this:

1. Something that has the same functionality as what I have now, but is LESS efficient, I see as a downgrade.  The suggestions I saw you mentioning all struck me as accomplishing the same goal, but in ways that take more time.  It's more than just whether it can do what I was doing.  It's about whether it can do what I need as well or even BETTER than what I have before.  If somebody wants a new convertible because their old one has damage, and there is a new convertible available, but it only tops out at 45mph, they're not going to see that as an answer.

 

2. As for bragging about having an option a lot earlier, I could have been mixing up my responses to other comments I saw, I forget.  Some people have pointed out that me using old software is ludicrous, whereas when I set this up, the options I wanted simply didn't exist by standard means, so I went with what did work, and didn't always keep up with what changed, often because new OS's would wreck options.  Part of that is me being behind the curve, but when I see how old software was sometimes ahead in some ways to what's even available NOW, it makes me frustrated with the entire situation.  In other words, look at it like this:

Old software:

-Could do functions A, B, and C

New software:

-Can do functions, A and B.  Does function A even better than the old software, does function B more poorly.  Can't even do function C.

 

 

Quote

 

The problem here is that you're actually putting the burden of finding GUI "enlightenment" on the shoulders of everyone except yourself. The video could be summarized as "This all sucks and could be way better but I'm not an expert so I want you to show me how to fix it".  No offense but this is the easiest criticism anyone can make about literally anything because it doesn't require any real proof or effort from the person making it. So it's not surprising at all to have people ask for some kind of tangible course of action since you're making such a bold claim.

Listen, you say you're trying to help me, but you're either concern trolling now, or you're unaware of your own bias on this to say something like that.  Yes, I'm not an expert, and yes I'm seeking help from others.  But insinuating I provided no proof or effort on this topic?  Why do think the video was so long?  Here's what I did do:

 

-I showed my existing desktop and a few optimizations it had, even though I recognize it's very flawed

-I showed time trials how launching frequently used programs was faster in my method than the Windows default

-I proposed a pie menu system for rapidly launching software

-I recognized the potential of a custom keypad that's ergonomically designed for hotkey deployment

-I found research demonstrating that flat themes are objectively slower for users.

-I proposed mouse gestures as a way of doing things more rapidly and suggested some fundamentals for coming up with styles

-I gave a list of programs that I think are taking us in the right direction for customization as a starting point, suggesting possible implementations

-Demonstrated objective advantages for not having a close button in web browsers.

-Gave specific changes that should be made to an existing pie menu launcher for maximum efficiency

 

Listen, think what you want, but if you watched my video and the conclusion you came to is I'm making the easiest criticism possible and making no effort for trying to advance the GUI, then that's a troll move, whether you mean it that way or not.

20 hours ago, Isaiah said:

This helps me understand your actual objectives a lot better but it's also completely unrelated to the issues I was trying to point out.

I'm not really looking to get into an argument about this, but you're accusing me of being contradictory, which I don't appreciate unless it's accurate (like what I said on memorization, fair enough).  So please, specify with no uncertainty, what did I say regarding targets where I'm being contradictory?  I want easy to hit targets with low travel time.

 

Quote

Think I understand the reason for these seeming contradictions and inconsistencies now. It's due to the fact you're mixing up two entirely different issues:

 

• Loosing your current workflow when upgrading from Windows 7 to 10.
• Developing the most efficient GUI possible, regardless of OS.

Sorry if I wasn't clear here.  I'm not seeking to keep my current workflow.  I want something BETTER.  Moving from 7 to 10 is the catalyst.  10 struck me as shutting down more options, since it's hostile to custom shells, and updates will wreck some 3rd party programs with no consideration for customization. 

 

Quote

 

However, when I pointed out a feature of Windows 10 that works exactly like, or very similar to, your CURRENT setup, you either dismissed it as not IDEAL or bragged that you've already had that feature long before Windows did.

2 responses to this:

1. Something that has the same functionality as what I have now, but is LESS efficient, I see as a downgrade.  The suggestions I saw you mentioning all struck me as accomplishing the same goal, but in ways that take more time.  It's more than just whether it can do what I was doing.  It's about whether it can do what I need as well or even BETTER than what I have before.  If somebody wants a new convertible because their old one has damage, and there is a new convertible available, but it only tops out at 45mph, they're not going to see that as an answer.

 

2. As for bragging about having an option a lot earlier, I could have been mixing up my responses to other comments I saw, I forget.  Some people have pointed out that me using old software is ludicrous, whereas when I set this up, the options I wanted simply didn't exist by standard means, so I went with what did work, and didn't always keep up with what changed, often because new OS's would wreck options.  Part of that is me being behind the curve, but when I see how old software was sometimes ahead in some ways to what's even available NOW, it makes me frustrated with the entire situation.  In other words, look at it like this:

Old software:

-Could do functions A, B, and C

New software:

-Can do functions, A and B.  Does function A even better than the old software, does function B more poorly.  Can't even do function C.

 

 

Quote

 

The problem here is that you're actually putting the burden of finding GUI "enlightenment" on the shoulders of everyone except yourself. The video could be summarized as "This all sucks and could be way better but I'm not an expert so I want you to show me how to fix it".  No offense but this is the easiest criticism anyone can make about literally anything because it doesn't require any real proof or effort from the person making it. So it's not surprising at all to have people ask for some kind of tangible course of action since you're making such a bold claim.

Listen, you say you're trying to help me, but you're either concern trolling now, or you're unaware of your own bias on this to say something like that.  Yes, I'm not an expert, and yes I'm seeking help from others.  But insinuating I provided no proof or effort on this topic?  Why do think the video was so long?  Here's what I did do:

 

-I showed my existing desktop and a few optimizations it had, even though I recognize it's very flawed

-I showed time trials how launching frequently used programs was faster in my method than the Windows default

-I proposed a pie menu system for rapidly launching software

-I recognized the potential of a custom keypad that's ergonomically designed for hotkey deployment

-I found research demonstrating that flat themes are objectively slower for users.

-I proposed mouse gestures as a way of doing things more rapidly and suggested some fundamentals for coming up with styles

-I gave a list of programs that I think are taking us in the right direction for customization as a starting point, suggesting possible implementations

-Demonstrated objective advantages for not having a close button in web browsers.

-Gave specific changes that should be made to an existing pie menu launcher for maximum efficiency

 

Listen, think what you want, but if you watched my video and the conclusion you came to is I'm making the easiest criticism possible and I'm making no effort for trying to advance the GUI, then that's a troll move, whether you mean it that way or not.