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On 4/3/2020 at 9:17 PM, BTGBullseye said:

So Data lied at the end when saying why she died... That's your theory?

I believe that I have explained Data's reasoning of the situation and the context of "critical error" accurately.

 

That doesn't make it a lie from Data, nor does Data explain what the critical error he surmises occurred is or what it was caused by. But the lead-up to the critical error is that she is confused and panicking over the prospect of being taken away for who knows what, and the more fearful and distraught she becomes, the more her operation deteriorates. The show is entirely clear on what caused it, that the trauma and confusion of being taken away from Data and the Enterprise by strangers for purposes she doesn't understand is what broke her down.

 

Re-watch the episode to see for yourself. I think you've missed that part of the message and the not-overly-subtle nuances of the scene. Data is trying to reason something he is unfamiliar with, and since he doesn't have a personal understanding for the mechanism at play (because he doesn't know what emotions are and experience like), he frames what happened in technical computer terms and ambiguously assumes it was some kind of critical error, but doesn't elaborate further. Data is effectively blind to the emotion factor and couldn't perceive how it played into her reaction and malfunction.

 

The 'critical error' seems to have been that her mind couldn't find a 'Why' to what was being done to her, a reason or answer to what was happening, and that falsified her programming. If she'd been allowed to develop further before being targeted with logic-defying human cruelty, she might have been able to endure such trauma by explaining it with her experience knowledge of wrongful and unreasonable behaviour.

 

But your argument that a "critical error" caused her shutdown and not the trauma of how the admiral treated her is like saying that people who died from a nuclear bomb explosion didn't die from an atomic bomb but died because their bodies vapourized. But they vapourized because of the nuclear explosion, just as Data's daughter's malfunction was the result of the non-computable trauma inflicted on her.

 

And so, I'm a bit surprised that you watched the episode and came to the conclusion that the distress of what Starfleet was doing with her and her shutdown were completely coincidental and separate narratives within the same episode rather than connected events forming one narrative.

Delicieuxz

Delicieuxz

On 4/3/2020 at 9:17 PM, BTGBullseye said:

So Data lied at the end when saying why she died... That's your theory?

I have explained Data's reasoning of the situation and the context of "critical error" accurately.

 

That doesn't make it a lie from Data, nor does Data explain what the critical error he surmises occurred is or what it was caused by. But the lead-up to the critical error is that she is confused and panicking over the prospect of being taken away for who knows what, and the more fearful and distraught she becomes, the more her operation deteriorates. The show is entirely clear on what caused it, that the trauma and confusion of being taken away from Data and the Enterprise by strangers for purposes she doesn't understand is what broke her down.

 

Re-watch the episode to see for yourself. I think you've missed the message and not-overly-subtle nuances of the scene. Data is trying to reason something he is unfamiliar with. And since he doesn't have a personal understanding for the mechanism at play (because he doesn't know what the experiences of emotions, are like), he thinks in technical computer terms assumes it must have been some kind of critical error, and doesn't elaborate further. Data is effectively blind to the emotion factor and couldn't possibly know how it played into her reaction.

 

The 'critical error' seems to have been that her mind couldn't find a 'Why' to what was being done to her, her mind couldn't find a reason or answer to what was happening, and that falsified her programming. If she had been allowed to develop further before being exposed to human cruelty, she might have been able to endure such trauma by explaining it with her knowledge of wrongful and unreasonable behaviour.

 

But your argument that a "critical error" caused her shutdown and not the trauma of how the admiral treated her is like saying that people who died from a nuclear bomb explosion didn't die from an atomic bomb but died because their bodies vapourized. But they vapourized because of the nuclear explosion, just as Data's daughter's malfunction was the result of the trauma inflicted on her.

 

I am surprised that you could have watched the episode and come to the conclusion that the distress of what Starfleet was doing with her and her shutdown were completely coincidental occurrences and separate stories within the same episode.

Delicieuxz

Delicieuxz

11 hours ago, BTGBullseye said:

So Data lied at the end when saying why she died... That's your theory?

I have explained Data's reasoning of the situation and the context of "critical error" accurately.

 

That doesn't make it a lie from Data, nor does Data explain what the critical error he surmises occurred is or what it was caused by. But the lead-up to the critical error is that she is confused and panicking over the prospect of being taken away for who knows what, and the more fearful and distraught she becomes, the more her operation deteriorates. The show is entirely clear on what caused it, that the trauma and confusion of being taken away from Data and the Enterprise by strangers for purposes she doesn't understand is what broke her down.

 

Re-watch the episode to see for yourself. I think you've missed the message and not-overly-subtle nuances of the scene. Data is trying to reason something he is unfamiliar with. And since he doesn't have a personal understanding for the mechanism at play (because he doesn't know what the experiences of emotions, are like), he thinks in technical computer terms assumes it must have been some kind of critical error, and doesn't elaborate further.

 

But your argument that a "critical error" caused her shutdown and not the trauma of how the admiral treated her is like saying that people who died from a nuclear bomb explosion didn't die from an atomic bomb but died because their bodies vapourized. But they vapourized because of the nuclear explosion, just as Data's daughter's malfunction was the result of the trauma inflicted on her.

 

I am surprised that you could have watched the episode and come to the conclusion that the distress of what Starfleet was doing with her and her shutdown were completely coincidental occurrences and separate stories within the same episode.

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