Evolution vs. Creation being taught in schools

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My faith is just not based on any scientific evidence or theories. It is based on emotions and abstract feelings and notions about the world. Can anyone actually find any scientific answer on why we are here or why our bodies look and function like they do or... even better, what makes cells divide, what is life? Why do the trees filter the air for us to breathe, our bodies seemingly designed to live in this environment as if everything was just made to exist like it does? Such abstract questions I feel can only be answered fully by my religion and my faith in it. And that is why I believe in God.

 

I do not in any way want to disprove science, that would be stupid. I just want there to be room for more than just HOW things work, or HOW we came into existence. None of us may not know why, but it helps for me to have a religion to turn to that gives me comfort and strength. Maybe not all of us needs that, but I do.

"Faith is blind"

 

I don't remember who said that.

[Alyxx Thorne]

Well, it keeps me sane and balanced. After I became more religious and started praying to God, I just feel it has made me more balanced psychologically and it has helped me deal with a lot of problems that I just previously didn't know how to deal with. I don't see how that is a bad thing.

 

I think the problem with religion comes into place when it's turning into superstition and people place way too much faith in God to the point where they give up their own free will to him...

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Well, it keeps me sane and balanced. After I became more religious and started praying to God, I just feel it has made me more balanced psychologically and it has helped me deal with a lot of problems that I just previously didn't know how to deal with. I don't see how that is a bad thing.

 

I think the problem with religion comes into place when it's turning into superstition and people place way too much faith in God to the point where they give up their own free will to him...

I was trying to be supportive. I think faith is a good scapegoat for people when they need something to blame or need reassurance in something.

[Alyxx Thorne]

I appreciate that. I am a bit weary of people acting hostile to me. But I try not to take it too personally when they do.

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I appreciate that. I am a bit weary of people acting hostile to me. But I try not to take it too personally when they do.

Well you're one of the few I don't hate. Well.... it's pretty much just you and J.C.

 

I actually wasn't aware you believed in God until that last post.

[Doom Shepherd]

There's a really good scene in Kevin Smith's "Dogma" about the difference between having a belief and having an idea.

 

Rufus: His only real beef with mankind is the shit that gets carried out in his name. Wars, bigotry, televangelism, the big one though is the fractioning of all of the religions. He said mankind got it all wrong by taking a good idea and building a belief structure on it.

Bethany: You’re saying having beliefs is a bad thing?

Rufus: I just think it’s better to have ideas. I mean, you can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it. The whole of existence is in jeopardy right now, because of the Catholic belief structure regarding this plenary indulgence bullshit. Bartleby and Loki whether they know it or not are exploiting that belief. And if they’re successful you, me… ALL of this ends in a heartbeat all over a belief.

 

I don't mind religious people. My family is full of them, and most of them are extremely decent people. (We do have on eor two nutters, though.)

 

I, myself, am not paricularly religious. On a bad day, I'm an Atheist. On a good day, I'm a Deist, like some of the Founding Fathers. (On a silly day, I'm a follower of the Native American god Coyote.)

 

I've run into a lot of atheists and irreligious people, though, who are smug douchebags about it. (Bill Maher.) I'm trying real hard not to be... which I admit is difficult because I am a raging egomaniac.

[BTGBullseye]

In fact, it immediately becomes obvious that the "spontaneous" existence of GOD (which is supposed by the believers to be of an infinitely higher and more complex order than any life form) must, using the same "theory" of statistical analysis, be FAR MORE improbable than evolution. If your argument is true, your "designer" can't exist.

You all keep falling back on God... It isn't possible that some alien species seeded us here?

[xxxxxxxxx]

In fact, it immediately becomes obvious that the "spontaneous" existence of GOD (which is supposed by the believers to be of an infinitely higher and more complex order than any life form) must, using the same "theory" of statistical analysis, be FAR MORE improbable than evolution. If your argument is true, your "designer" can't exist.

You all keep falling back on God... It isn't possible that some alien species seeded us here?

That's just as logical as all of us forming naturally. Probably not as likely as a giant bearded man sending us here from A giant garden world... Not to hate, it's still likely.

[Bjossi]

I wonder on which day God created his beard.

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I wonder on which day God created his beard.

There is no single day upon which the epicness that is known as the GODBEARD was created.

[BTGBullseye]

There is no single day upon which the epicness that is known as the GODBEARD was created.

You just got yourself +rep...

 

 

You ever notice that God looks sorta like Charlton Heston?

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You ever notice that God looks sorta like Charlton Heston?

You just got +Rep. (Unless you want Neg. Rep.)

[Fujin]

I actually believe in God and Jesus, but I don't give a frick what schools are actually doing, just as long as they aren't making kids wear white ghost costumes, and carry pitch forks and any other weapon.

[Michael Archer]

Creationism simply states that life on earth was not a result of a random chemical process that eventually mutated into humans, but a result of intelligent design.

 

And...you have sufficient enough proof of this to warrant teaching it to our impressionable children?

 

This idea is arrived at through basic statistical logic. (a class you can probly take in college if you ever get there) in that it is so extremely unlikely for that particular chemical reaction to occur that the likeliehood of some external intelligence becomes more likely.

 

It is extremely unlikely; that's why it took billions of years. Unlikely things always happen, given enough time.

 

It is just as valid a theory as evolution, because it is based on science as much or more so than evolution

 

Do you have a cite for this claim? i.e. Do you have any theories based off intelligent design that has been scrutinized for decades by the most fastidious scientist and survived?

[Axeldeath]

In fact, it immediately becomes obvious that the "spontaneous" existence of GOD (which is supposed by the believers to be of an infinitely higher and more complex order than any life form) must, using the same "theory" of statistical analysis, be FAR MORE improbable than evolution. If your argument is true, your "designer" can't exist.

You all keep falling back on God... It isn't possible that some alien species seeded us here?

 

But that ain't creationism buddy... It is known as... PANSPERMIA

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Who came up with that name?!

[Alyxx Thorne]

But that ain't creationism buddy... It is known as... PANSPERMIA

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Who came up with that name?!

I don't know what it means but it sounds naughty.

[Fujin]

But that ain't creationism buddy... It is known as... PANSPERMIA

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Who came up with that name?!

I don't know what it means but it sounds naughty.

 

Sounds like a new type of pornography film.

[Alyxx Thorne]

Panspermic vision... XD

[Axeldeath]

So I checked it out and looked at the meaning of the words and here's what I came up with: Pan is a Greek word and it means "pertaining to all people"... okay. I think we all no what the " spermia " bit means so here's what I got.

The Sperm that pertains to all people... hmm

[BTGBullseye]

And...you have sufficient enough proof of this to warrant teaching it to our impressionable children?

I said repeatedly that I believe neither should be taught in anything but a religion class.

 

It is extremely unlikely; that's why it took billions of years. Unlikely things always happen, given enough time.

So that means that before I die I will become God?

 

Do you have a cite for this claim? i.e. Do you have any theories based off intelligent design that has been scrutinized for decades by the most fastidious scientist and survived?

I didn't think any Evolutionist had ever tried to disprove their own belief... Why should Creationists?