Birthday thread: Mouse

[Dave Rapp]

I don't want to argue with Doctor Evil. I think it might end badly for me.

[BTGBullseye]

I don't want to argue with Doctor Evil. I think it might end badly for me.

It would end very badly for you.

[Otto]

It would end badly a trillion times.

[ascendence]

great my post was eaten because i went afk

anyway ill just post pics

 

you can make it left, right handed or ambidextrous

 

it comes with a lot of different buttons :

 

or just print out your own shit:

 

so you could just try to make one that has the buttons on the right side for your thumb, and then design your own weird ass button placement for your ring and pinky for the left side!

 

well anyway happy new year love you

[ThePhunMaster]

Hey Ross, I have made a crude 3D model of a concept I thought of.

I made it in Solidworks and unfortunately I am relatively inexperienced with this program, however, I think the rendering serves its purpose well enough as a visual aid.

 

Behold! The uh.. Paw!

 

 

And my proposed button layout:

 

 

 

 

All fingers including the thumb have their own spade button.

The things not drawn here may include:

-More Buttons crammed in elsewhere (perhaps around the thumb spade or between finger spades)

-LEDS, such as DPI indicator lights

-Uh, other things

 

Also, as a side note, if you download one of the images and re-size it on your monitor until it is roughly 5.5 inches in length, you can approximate the real world size of the mouse.

[Ross Scott]

Hey Ross, I have made a crude 3D model of a concept I thought of.

Well it's easy to see what the model is doing, although I don't know if I'm quite sold on the shape. While it does give me enough buttons, it seems like the right-most ones are relatively flat, whereas a more natural resting position for my hand has somewhat of a curve to it.

 

so you could just try to make one that has the buttons on the right side for your thumb, and then design your own weird ass button placement for your ring and pinky for the left side!

Wow, you really can have buttons on both the left and right side and they'll work? Some ambidextrous mice will have buttons on both sides, but the software will force you to pick one side or another. Zowie mice do this a lot.

 

Anyway, I have pics and some measurements for everybody, hopefully this will help. I tried to show my hand in a normal resting position, though it's possible a mouse that's slightly more concave than how my hand is might work better, not much though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ThePhunMaster]

While it does give me enough buttons, it seems like the right-most ones are relatively flat, whereas a more natural resting position for my hand has somewhat of a curve to it.

 

Yeah, it is difficult to make something that would feel nice and ergonomic in hand without being able to actually hold it.

 

So! I tried again, this time with clay, and I hope this design may be closer to what you are looking for.

 

Also it turns out that our hands are almost the exact same size, so that was helpful.

 

Anyway, here it is:

 

Side w/ hand

 

 

Bottom w/ hand

 

 

Top w/ hand

 

 

Front

 

 

Side

 

 

Top w/ size comparison

 

 

 

The button layout is pretty similar to the last model I posted, however, the thumb spade has turned into a paddle button on the thumb rest, and the ring and pinky buttons are on their consecutive rests as well. And the ring finger also has an additional button behind it.

[Ross Scott]

Well you can tell me, but the pinky area looks like it could be laid out a bit flat. How natural does it feel in the hand? Also the slope on the side looks a little "hump-ish" also. If it helps, here's a diagram I made a while back showing what I like / dislike about the slope:

 

 

 

[ThePhunMaster]

Honestly I think it is pretty comfortable, but I'm pretty bias because the shaping was based off the R.A.T that I have been using for 5 years.

 

It fits very well into my hand and feels pretty natural. I agree however that the ring and pinkie fingers could probably be less wrapped into the mouse, but this was done so that the thumb and pinkie form the "grip points" for finer movements (the movements done more with the fingers than the wrist).

 

So, when I get the chance I'll smooth out the side arch and pull out the ring/pinkie sections. The pinkie will most likely still have a little wrap though, to maintain the grip point.

 

Also, from your image I have assumed that you prefer to have the majority of your palm resting on the mouse, is this correct?

[ThePhunMaster]

Okay Ross, I reworked the clay model, and I think I have a concept here that you're going to like.

 

I made the whole mouse about a 1/4 inch longer and I curved the whole thing. This should place in into the "gradual slope" category. Hell yeah.

 

Also I removed the ring/pinkie platforms and made them into scallops instead. This allows the right side grip points to be along side the fingers instead of behind them.

What this also does is place the hand into a very natural resting position, as if just chilling on a tabletop.

 

Another thing that changed is that the thumb control area was cut off and slid back a little into a better place. It was too far forward before.

 

Overall I think the contour is very comfortable and hopefully closer to what you had in mind.

 

Here are some pictures.

 

 

[Xeotroid]

This thing recently got backed on Kickstarter and it looks quite promising, you might be interested in it:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/peripherals/94399-most-advanced-gaming-mouse-ever-success-kickstarter/

[ekket]

There is a company, KeyMouse, that's currently working on a similar design to The Claw, also with different sizes and grips. Here is their most recent progress update:

 

[Ross Scott]

ekket: That looks like almost exactly what I want, too bad it's still prototyping.

 

EDIT:

 

Almost, upon further examination it looks like they don't have a button for the pinky finger either, I'm a mutant.

[SPECTER50]

Hey Ross, I found something that might help your woes of inefficiency

 

https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/tap-strap-2-wearable-keyboard-and-mouse

[Ponyman64]

Take a look at this Ross, this seems to fit your criteria 

 

[ScumCoder]

[G-BiG101]

remembered that you were looking for peripherals or things to 3d print up, and I've been having good hand experiences with this lately, so I figured that I'd share

recently whilst watching some youtubers discussing their disabilities (missing hands,etc) I saw one of them suddenly bring up a pair of devices called the Azeron cyro and Cyborg which caught my attention.
they are basically 3d printed mouse and keyboard replacements made in Latvia that are designed around making it so you can do the absolute most with each hand possible, basically about maximizing efficiency without being uncomfortable, confusing or cumbersome to use.

the cyborg focuses on giving you 26 keys on one hand plus a thumbstick, whilst the cyro gives you 22 keys inside of an ergonomic well, a thumbstick, and a joystick selector within the framework of a light vertical mouse.

as someone who suffers intense hand strain from using keyboards and mice and wants a replacement for both pretty badly, I was pretty interested so I bought a left handed cyro (i'm right handed) to combine with my more dominant peripherals and have been testing it with a few fps's lately and have found it to be one of the best devices I've used
Basically, it does what it says on the box; it gives you a large amount of inputs per each finger, arranges them ergonomically in a way that makes it easy to remember the layout via touch but doesn't cause any notable strain

I cannot emphasize the ergonomic aspect of them enough; I'm playing with this in one hand, and an empty trackball in my right, just for clicking, and the trackball manages to give me notably more strain, despite it being a device I already use to reduce strain

basically, because of how the keys are arranged in a well, my fingers barely have to move at all to hit most of them

both devices come with free software that allow you to program the inputs to do any amount of things, so for instance, if you don't like thumbsticks, you can instead program them to function as selectors and use them to switch between profiles and programs to further increase what you can do with them

I'm sure that if Ross were to look at them, he'd have plenty of issues with them, or find bits of em tacky, but if you want ideas for how to go about making a versatile mouse, I would strongly recommend looking at these, as they are genuinely one of the better peripherals I've used

https://store.azeron.eu/azeron-keypads#keypad=cyborg