With Open Gates: The forced collective suicide of Europe

[Avaratis]

Well, they actually found out one of the terrorists was freshly arrived refugee, Greek government confirmed:

 

"Official announcement, which fully confirms the information ANT1 that at least one perpetrator of the attacks in Paris has reached the French capital through Greece, where he spent pretending refugee, issued by the Minister of Citizen Protection."

 

Source: http://www.antenna.gr/news/-/article/428234/twitter-article

 

Also Merkel says we should expect around 10.000.000 more by 2020 so yeah.

 

Source: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/12/avalanche-expect-10-million-migrants-2020-warn-merkel-allies/

 

The main problem for me is that those refugees, are being exploited by our corrupt government.

She wants to make "propaganda" to get more people from Africa and the Balkans to go to Germany and fill jobs, which she says are understaffed.

 

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnTE2pDd5gg

 

Which is a total and utter lie, we have a over capacity of engineers and doctors here in Germany and the unemployment rates are falsified too, the real number lies more by 10%-12% of the population. They use that to inflate the job market and drop the wages for everyone. If foreign workers get here they only get paid about 1/3 of the german work wage, the more come the more the german wage will drop too and it is being dropping ever since, all while our GDP grows but international companies rather cut the wages through inflation of the workforce.

While those migrants stay unemployed for the most part and form their own ghettos in cities, in Berlin are multiple ones.

 

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFq2aAcf-8s

(German television ARD)

 

We should not let them in to this hell which is created for everyone, a far better solution would be to aid them in their homelands and/or build a safe refugee zone in the middle east protected by UN coalition forces. Coming refugees will suffer in unemployment and ghettos while also the native population will suffer. Many of the migrants will resort to crime and rape due to bad conditions, they are a minority of 6% but are are responsible for 27.1% of crimes (in correlation for prison inmate statistics, second generations are not counted), thus migrants in Germany are 4.5 times more likely to commit crimes and land in prison for it than natives. (This migration goes on since 2008)

 

Source: http://www.prisonstudies.org/country/germany

 

As to the myth that migration will do anything about the poor people in the world, take a few minutes and watch this short presentation:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

 

 

Do you want to work for your benefits forever?

Do you want to fail to provide your family?

Do you want to work two jobs at a time to even make a living?

Do you want to get poorer while the international companies who can't give a sh*t about your country get richer?

 

Close the borders to stop the terrorists to harm the people of europe and help the real refugees at their homeland. We should not support our government which undermines its own people and foreign refugees for the benefit of a few international companies!

[Binky The Rabbit]

a far better solution would be to aid them in their homelands

 

We can start by stopping the airstrikes.

[Vapymid]

Close the borders to stop the terrorists to harm the people of europe and help the real refugees at their homeland.

 

You are missing the point - that the majority of "terrorists" are always homegrown. You can close the borders all you like and you will only increase the number of supporters for the terrorists' cause among your own population.

 

Terrorists don't come from outside - as your own example shows. In the Paris attack - 1 (one) attacker, possibly, maybe, came as a refugee. Even if they'll find more, the majority will still be Europeans.

 

Ideas come from outside, though. And if you have enough disgruntled potential supporters, you increase the probability that there will be some feeble-minded ones who will believe in 72 virgins awaiting them in the Heavens.

 

We should not support our government which undermines its own people and foreign refugees for the benefit of a few international companies!

 

Well, that's up to you. You can vote for whoever you personally want to at the next elections.

 

The main problem for me is that those refugees, are being exploited by our corrupt government.

 

No. The problem is that people in Europe don't want to work. But migrants do and they are ready to work for much less than an entitled European would agree to move their arse for.

 

The socio-economic model is the danger that Europe faces, not the migration. Migration is what props the economy up.

 

The migrants are not undercutting you average local benefit-seeker... The migrants are doing the job he refuses to do. If you remove the migrants, the job just won't get done until some local will finally agree to get his hands dirty and do it for the same low amount of money as the migrant. What are the chances of that happening?

 

We can start by stopping the airstrikes.

 

I honestly don't know if that is now possible... Though, perhaps, if they start bombing Riyadh instead of Raqqa - that just might have some effect

 

Regards

[RandomGuy]

a far better solution would be to aid them in their homelands

 

We can start by stopping the airstrikes.

Spoken like someone who has done absolutely no research on the situation.

 

You are missing the point - that the majority of "terrorists" are always homegrown. You can close the borders all you like and you will only increase the number of supporters for the terrorists' cause among your own population.

This is true. France wasn't attacked because it was going to let in refugees, it was attacked because it's got a very poor, marginalized, and pissed off minority of Arab Muslims. Those attacks in Paris were pulled off mostly by French or Belgium-born Muslims, not immigrants of Syria. To get another picture, compare how many French Muslims ran off to join ISIL (at least 1,900, possibly more) to how many German (700) or American (250) Muslims ran off to join ISIL. True, France has more Muslims than those two countries, but not by much (USA: 3.1 million, Germany: 4.2 million, France: ~5 million).

 

I honestly don't know if that is now possible... Though, perhaps, if they start bombing Riyadh instead of Raqqa - that just might have some effect

The vast majority of IS's revenue comes from selling oil to the Assad government; if you took out the handful of private donors from Saudi Arabia, next to nothing would change (a lot would change if you could somehow cut off the stream of thousands of experienced Chechen and Dagestani fighters flowing into ISIL from Russia, though; they stiffen out a largely subpar force). If you want to actually cripple the Islamic State, you would do much better by bombing Damascus and the big oil refineries. Not that anyone's going to do that, since Syria's now borderline non-existent economy would have no hope of being repaired after that level of infrastructure damage to their oil industry.

[Binky The Rabbit]

Spoken like someone who has done absolutely no research on the situation.

Airstrikes may gradually smoke out Daesh, but they're not exactly being helpful for Syria's citizens. After all, the combination of strikes and Daesh's presence is the reason why they're seeking refuge in Europe. I think it'd be pretty hard to persuade them to wait out the conflict, and accept the possibility of being killed by accident.

it was attacked because it's got a very poor, marginalized, and pissed off minority of Arab Muslims.

That's the real problem Europe faces - the more we degrade and compare muslims to benefit-scrounging rats, the more attractive Daesh's cause becomes. Better to kill as an empowered 'somebody' than rot away as a nobody. This brushes on the separate issue of equality, but if we convince this community that our society is good and worth living in, then they'll be much less inclined and susceptible to join Daesh.

[RandomGuy]

Spoken like someone who has done absolutely no research on the situation.

Airstrikes may gradually smoke out Daesh, but they're not exactly being helpful for Syria's citizens. After all, the combination of strikes and Daesh's presence is the reason why they're seeking refuge in Europe. I think it'd be pretty hard to persuade them to wait out the conflict, and accept the possibility of being killed by accident.

And stopping will help how? The number of civilians killed by the strikes is downright miniscule (somewhere between 200 and 600) compared to the number of militants killed (at least 3,300 in Syria alone, likely far more), which is pretty much the best you can ask for in any real war (vital civilian infrastructure is also painstakingly avoided in bombing targets, hence why Daesh still has an economy). Stopping will just let Daesh do whatever it wants. In an area where every other fighting force has basically broken down and they have explicitly genocidal intentions. Of course they're helping, unless you think thousands of extra Daeshbags in Syria (plus an extra 15,000-20,000 in Iraq) plus smooth supply lines for them would be a good thing for Syria?

 

And no, they're not fleeing from the strikes and Daesh. They're fleeing from Daesh, Al-Nusra, and probably most importantly, Assad. He has made a habit out of terror bombing communities under rebel occupation to keep them from getting complacent.

 

That's the real problem Europe faces - the more we degrade and compare muslims to benefit-scrounging rats, the more attractive Daesh's cause becomes. Better to kill as an empowered 'somebody' than rot away as a nobody. This brushes on the separate issue of equality, but if we convince this community that our society is good and worth living in, then they'll be much less inclined and susceptible to join Daesh.

Yep.

[Avaratis]

That's the real problem Europe faces - the more we degrade and compare muslims to benefit-scrounging rats, the more attractive Daesh's cause becomes. Better to kill as an empowered 'somebody' than rot away as a nobody. This brushes on the separate issue of equality, but if we convince this community that our society is good and worth living in, then they'll be much less inclined and susceptible to join Daesh.

 

Agreed, those people deserve a living. So we do that, show them that our society is a good place to live and work in. That leads to the main problem of this massive influx of migrants:

 

Unrestrained immigration.. legal or illegal lowers wages and wrecks the standard of living for the working class.

This is a documented historical fact.

For example:

In 1960, Beef packed was the second highest paying industrial job in the United States.

Now it is one of the worst jobs in America.

Immigrants were a big part of making that happen.

"the development of new corporate strategies fundamentally transformed the capital-labor relationship and led to the collapse of industrial unionism in meatpacking. Most important were the industry's development of new technologies, it geographic reorganization of production, and it's ability to locate new cheap non-union sources of labor."

Iowa Beef Production sent recruiters to the poorest parts of Mexico and bused people all way to the American Midwest to undermine unions and lower wages.

Bonus points for not passing any of the savings on to the consumers and pocketing the profits.

 

Sources:

http://migration.ucdavis.edu/rmn/more.php?id=144_0_2_0

http://wox.sagepub.com/content/30/3/327.abstract

 

This is what is happening to us right now. It is just simple economics, if there is something in a large quantity, the prices will drop.

 

We will get 2 million migrants until the end of this year in Germany alone, most of them aren't refugees, but are from anywhere in the 3rd world. Additionally we have the "Blue Card" in Europe which allows everybody who has work here to stay here. Do you see what is happening? Standards of living will decrease rapidly over Europe, they already want to decrease school standards in german schools because of the 3rd world migrants.

In the end everybody will lose, the migrants and us. (Expect multinational companies who will be even richer)