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  danielsangeo said:
:wtf:

 

(No, there's no such thing as a "pro-abortionist", nor do those that identify as 'pro-choice' advocate for the killing of children.)

Indeed they do, since that is what abortion is.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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Abortion doesn't kill children. If you suggest that fetuses, embryos or even single-celled fertilized eggs are "children", then perhaps you could say that pro-choice "kills children" but then you are a corpse (you will be, someday) and the English language is dead because any word can mean anything. Tablet brick potato llama.

 

But, back to IVF, embryos ("living children"?!?!?!?!) are killed by the literal cartload and I hear no qualms about that...so I'm curious why they can't be used for stem cell research.

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  danielsangeo said:
Abortion doesn't kill children.

What is your definition of "child"?

 

  danielsangeo said:
If you suggest that fetuses, embryos or even single-celled fertilized eggs are "children", then perhaps you could say that pro-choice "kills children" but then you are a corpse (you will be, someday) and the English language is dead because any word can mean anything. Tablet brick potato llama.

Equating the beginning with the end is not logical.

 

  danielsangeo said:
But, back to IVF, embryos ("living children"?!?!?!?!) are killed by the literal cartload and I hear no qualms about that...so I'm curious why they can't be used for stem cell research.

Never said they couldn't, just said they aren't.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
Abortion doesn't kill children.

What is your definition of "child"?

 

From birth to teenage.

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
If you suggest that fetuses, embryos or even single-celled fertilized eggs are "children", then perhaps you could say that pro-choice "kills children" but then you are a corpse (you will be, someday) and the English language is dead because any word can mean anything. Tablet brick potato llama.

Equating the beginning with the end is not logical.

 

Completely agree.

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
But, back to IVF, embryos ("living children"?!?!?!?!) are killed by the literal cartload and I hear no qualms about that...so I'm curious why they can't be used for stem cell research.

Never said they couldn't, just said they aren't.

 

But you said that "killing children" should not be done for stem cell research.

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  danielsangeo said:
From birth to teenage.

Then your definition is lacking.

 

Definition: A son or daughter of any age.

 

  danielsangeo said:
Completely agree.

Then why did you?

 

  danielsangeo said:
But you said that "killing children" should not be done for stem cell research.

Have they implanted into a uterus? Once they have, then it is murder, not before.

 

Since nobody here shares my penchant for Catholic ideals, I am not using the "from conception" argument.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
From birth to teenage.

Then your definition is lacking.

 

Definition: A son or daughter of any age.

 

Fine. A son or daughter from birth.

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
Completely agree.

Then why did you?

 

If an embryo is a baby, then you are a corpse.

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
But you said that "killing children" should not be done for stem cell research.

Have they implanted into a uterus? Once they have, then it is murder, not before.

 

Yet, many are against it even when it has never implanted....and consider it abortion or "killing children" (using your very same argument).

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  danielsangeo said:
Fine. A son or daughter from birth.

Doesn't say anything about birth in the definition...

 

  danielsangeo said:
If an embryo is a baby, then you are a corpse.

Not true. Bad analogies don't help you. Being illogical will help you even less.

 

  danielsangeo said:
Yet, many are against it even when it has never implanted....and consider it abortion or "killing children" (using your very same argument).

And I just said that I was NOT using that argument specifically to avoid this sort of argument arising.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
Fine. A son or daughter from birth.

Doesn't say anything about birth in the definition...

 

You asked me my definition.

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
If an embryo is a baby, then you are a corpse.

Not true. Bad analogies don't help you. Being illogical will help you even less.

 

This is YOUR logic, not mine. An embryo is no more a baby than you are a corpse. Please explain why it's different.

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
Yet, many are against it even when it has never implanted....and consider it abortion or "killing children" (using your very same argument).

And I just said that I was NOT using that argument specifically to avoid this sort of argument arising.

 

Yet, this is precisely the problem. Why is implantation the dividing line?

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  danielsangeo said:
You asked me my definition.

And your definition is incorrect.

 

  danielsangeo said:
This is YOUR logic, not mine. An embryo is no more a baby than you are a corpse. Please explain why it's different.

Show me anywhere that I equate a living human to a dead human. You won't find it.

 

  danielsangeo said:
Yet, this is precisely the problem. Why is implantation the dividing line?

Because implantation means it is more likely than not going to (if not aborted) survive to an age of over 60 years.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
You asked me my definition.

And your definition is incorrect.

 

  danielsangeo said:
This is YOUR logic, not mine. An embryo is no more a baby than you are a corpse. Please explain why it's different.

Show me anywhere that I equate a living human to a dead human. You won't find it.

 

You equated an embryo with a "child".

 

  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
Yet, this is precisely the problem. Why is implantation the dividing line?

Because implantation means it is more likely than not going to (if not aborted) survive to an age of over 60 years.

 

And eventually become a corpse. See? This is your logic, not mine.

 

But, if you really don't like this one, then a toddler is an adult and having sex with a toddler is the same as having sex with an adult.

 

Sound good?

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  danielsangeo said:
You equated an embryo with a "child".

Not the same thing as equating a living person with a dead body.

 

  danielsangeo said:
And eventually become a corpse. See? This is your logic, not mine.

That is your lack of logic... It has nothing to do with me.

 

  danielsangeo said:
But, if you really don't like this one, then a toddler is an adult and having sex with a toddler is the same as having sex with an adult.

 

Sound good?

Equating 2 completely different stages of human development is not logical.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  danielsangeo said:
  BTGbullseye said:
Equating 2 completely different stages of human development is not logical.

 

I completely agree.

Yet you're the only one who is doing so.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  danielsangeo said:
Not at all. I'm not the one saying that an embryo is a child. YOU ARE.

I'm not the only one saying an implanted embryo is a child, you on the other hand are the only one saying a living human being is really just a dead body.

 

And "living embryo = child" =/= "living human = dead body".

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
Not at all. I'm not the one saying that an embryo is a child. YOU ARE.

I'm not the only one saying an implanted embryo is a child, you on the other hand are the only one saying a living human being is really just a dead body.

 

And "living embryo = child" =/= "living human = dead body".

 

If you don't understand the analogy, just say so.

 

You stated that if x leads to y, then x = y. Did you or did you not state this?

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  danielsangeo said:
If you don't understand the analogy, just say so.

I do indeed understand it, however it is using broken logic to come to that conclusion.

 

  danielsangeo said:
You stated that if x leads to y, then x = y. Did you or did you not state this?

I did not.

 

Y=X

Y=Z

X=/=Z

 

These functions can exist together in real life, but not in basic algebra.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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  BTGbullseye said:
  danielsangeo said:
You stated that if x leads to y, then x = y. Did you or did you not state this?

I did not.

 

So, you did not say the following:

 

  BTGbullseye said:
Killing a living human child to get cells is not acceptable.

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