Vent

[AP_Pastor]

I wanna yank my modem off the wall and throw it off the window now.

[Seattleite]

If I see one more movie have a human body disintegrate, or vaporize, or be instantly incinerated or the like without the massive multi-tonne explosion that would actually result from such a thing, I am going to track down the director and give him a physics lesson with strong negative reinforcement, likely involving jumper cables.

 

Take that scene in Captain America: The First Avenger where the Red Skull fires an energy cannon that just vaporizes the people it shoots, and he does it at point blank range. The realistic result would have been him firing it once, blowing the man in half rather than disintegrating him (as the energy will NOT transfer cleanly through the body) and killing himself and everyone else in the room from the resultant blast, likely collapsing the entire section of the building and definitely destroying his cannon in the process. And that's assuming the cannon's energy cells don't explode from the damage they sustain, at least destroying the entire building and likely causing massive damage to the complex and creating a mushroom cloud they'll be able to see from Paris.

 

Worse is Iron Man III, where the villains can do this to entire rooms of people at once, and leave shadows on intact walls behind them. No, that's not what would happen. If they're really releasing enough heat to completely and instantly incinerate people over a hundred feet away, the resultant explosion would DESTROY THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, because it would need to have the power of a HYDROGEN BOMB.

 

And the shadows are clearly based on the Hiroshima Shadows, because of the absurd myth that people were vaporized by the atomic bombings. Nobody was vaporized, that's impossible. Those marks aren't their ashes darkening the surfaces behind them. The area behind them isn't darker, everything else is lighter, the infrared radiation bleached the surfaces it hit, and they shaded the area behind them. Not all of those people even died, much less had their bodies completely destroyed. For the Hiroshima bomb to have vaporized human bodies at that distance it would have needed to be *literally* millions of times as powerful, and it would have rendered all of Japan (and the east coast of China, and the southern half of Korea) uninhabitable.

 

Seriously, of all the ridiculous bullshit people believe about the human body, this has to be by far the dumbest. We're 70% water and people apparently think we're made of flash paper.

[Psychotic Ninja]

Some people are mostly salt.

 

But in all seriousness, have you never heard of suspension of disbelief? Not everything's going to be 100% accurate in movies, and they shouldn't be.

 

My vent: People are complaining about the UI in the PC version of FF9. They're complaining that Square took the lazy route, and just use the same one that's in the mobile version.

 

 

Is there any UI in any game that's universally praised?

 

Just be glad they did something! Be glad they actually ported the damn game! 7 and 8 were ported before, but never 9. This is the first time it's been ported over to PC! Everyone says that 'X fanbase is the worse'. The Final Fantasy fanbase is the worse.

 

Never satisfied with anything. Hell, no matter what they were going to do with the FF7 remake (even if it was updating the graphics, giving you full camera control, and making it fully voice acted), people would have complained. We even got gameplay footage of the remake, and people bitched about that, saying it's going to be linear as fuck. We only got the starting area. Wanna know something about the starting area in the original? It was linear as fuck. Don't get me started on the whole "it's going to be episodic, so Square's just going to make each one $60 so that they can get as much money as possible" bullshit.

[Binky The Rabbit]

@Seattleite: Don't forget the entire concept of the Hulk.

 

[Heliocentrical]

If I see one more movie have a human body disintegrate, or vaporize, or be instantly incinerated or the like without the massive multi-tonne explosion that would actually result from such a thing, I am going to track down the director and give him a physics lesson with strong negative reinforcement, likely involving jumper cables.

 

Take that scene in Captain America: The First Avenger where the Red Skull fires an energy cannon that just vaporizes the people it shoots, and he does it at point blank range. The realistic result would have been him firing it once, blowing the man in half rather than disintegrating him (as the energy will NOT transfer cleanly through the body) and killing himself and everyone else in the room from the resultant blast, likely collapsing the entire section of the building and definitely destroying his cannon in the process. And that's assuming the cannon's energy cells don't explode from the damage they sustain, at least destroying the entire building and likely causing massive damage to the complex and creating a mushroom cloud they'll be able to see from Paris.

 

Worse is Iron Man III, where the villains can do this to entire rooms of people at once, and leave shadows on intact walls behind them. No, that's not what would happen. If they're really releasing enough heat to completely and instantly incinerate people over a hundred feet away, the resultant explosion would DESTROY THE ENTIRE DISTRICT, because it would need to have the power of a HYDROGEN BOMB.

 

And the shadows are clearly based on the Hiroshima Shadows, because of the absurd myth that people were vaporized by the atomic bombings. Nobody was vaporized, that's impossible. Those marks aren't their ashes darkening the surfaces behind them. The area behind them isn't darker, everything else is lighter, the infrared radiation bleached the surfaces it hit, and they shaded the area behind them. Not all of those people even died, much less had their bodies completely destroyed. For the Hiroshima bomb to have vaporized human bodies at that distance it would have needed to be *literally* millions of times as powerful, and it would have rendered all of Japan (and the east coast of China, and the southern half of Korea) uninhabitable.

 

Seriously, of all the ridiculous bullshit people believe about the human body, this has to be by far the dumbest. We're 70% water and people apparently think we're made of flash paper.

Physics in general media tend to be more along the lines of spectacle rather then realism. I can't think of any media that is realistic outside of a few titles which sadly are in a niche market. You might want to taper your expectations when it comes to releases from major studios because frankly their target demographic isn't you, me or anyone with a thought in their head.

[Psychotic Ninja]

their target demographic isn't you, me or anyone with a thought in their head.

 

I wouldn't go that far.

[Seattleite]

their target demographic isn't you, me or anyone with a thought in their head.

 

I wouldn't go that far.

 

I would. These studios still peddle that "10% of the brain" myth, too. That is an outright lie, how does it not inspire anger in the people watching when it so brazenly insults their intelligence? Probably because they have no intelligence to insult, seeing as the overwhelming majority of people BELIEVE THAT BULLSHIT. And why? Because movies and TV told them, so it must be true.

 

That is legitimate real-world harm, most people will blindly accept as true anything they are told that they don't already know to be false. (This is the basis of propaganda, as well. Don't think they don't know it, given that many forms of entertainment are mostly poorly-disguised propaganda. Almost every cop show and war movie, for instance.) I'm not pissed off because of the glaring six-orders-of-magnitude innacuracy itself, I'm pissed off because most people will BELIEVE IT.

[Vapymid]

Oh, yes. Especially the cop shows and military-themed films, yes. And in cop shows they will also weave in some thinly disguised moralistic tales - usually about the dangers of sex.

 

As for physical inaccuracies - I especially hated Gravity... Partly because the orbital mechanics there are as realistic as a broomstick flight in Harry Potter but, mostly, because all the critics were drooling over the supposed "scientific accuracy" of the movie! Brghhh...

 

Regards

[Psychotic Ninja]

their target demographic isn't you, me or anyone with a thought in their head.

 

I wouldn't go that far.

 

I would. These studios still peddle that "10% of the brain" myth, too. That is an outright lie, how does it not inspire anger in the people watching when it so brazenly insults their intelligence?

 

Because it's a fun "what if"? Because people actually enjoy the movie? Why do you always assume the worse? If you're going to bitch about something as minor as people vaporizing (when they shouldn't) and "people believing it to be true" then why not bitch about gamma radiation turning someone into a giant green hulking monster, every time they get angry? I'm sure there are kids out there who believe that to be true. These movies are fiction, they're not real, why can't they have fun with how they handle explosions, vaporization, or whatever? They weren't made to edjumacate people.

[Jeb_CC]

(Kinda?) Related: http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aozNBPw_460sv.mp4

 

But yeah, movies are movies, man. Enjoy it! I love seeing people being vaporized. Looks awesome. XD I know its not real. I'm just enjoying what I see and the crazy shit that's happening that I know will NEVER happen in real life. And sure, maybe 5 year olds might think it's all possible. But I'm sure they'll eventually figure it out.

[Vapymid]

Hehe

Though, I wish that monster of a movie would have had all those explosions in it - might have at least make it bearable But then it would have just turn it into Poseidon Adventure...

 

Oh, well... It's different to different people, of course. But I find I can suspend my disbelief if I know that a) what I'm looking it is a fairy-tale or a fantasy, so all physics goes out the door automatically or b) if there is at least some plausible link to reality, if it's sci-fi or action film. And it even works on a scene by scene basis for me...

 

So, I'm okay with Thor defying the laws of gravity but I am not okay with a scene where a plane rolls down the runway for 15 minutes. I just begin to laugh and everyone in the cinema gives me an angry look

 

Regards

[Jeb_CC]

So, I'm okay with Thor defying the laws of gravity but I am not okay with a scene where a plane rolls down the runway for 15 minutes. I just begin to laugh and everyone in the cinema gives me an angry look

 

Regards

 

Oh, I'D give you an angry look! And then maybe slap your leg. XP And I'd tape your mouth shut if I have to - If it means you'll quit complaining!

Kinky...

[Vapymid]

Geez, my dear - that will surely attract the attention of the entire cinema! Especially if you wear your latex suit... Oh. *shuts his mouth and looks around* Did I say too much?

 

Regards

[Reverend_UshankaCat_]

You two are starting to make me uncomfortable...

[Binky The Rabbit]

Additional examples:

 

- Guardians Of The Galaxy, when Quill and Gamora are in space. Protip: space doesn't work like that.

- The Matrix. "Your mind makes it real." Ehh, no it can't.

- Iron Man's suit would not stop Tony Stark from being turned to mush.

- Everything to do with Superman.

- Every instance of teleportation, ever.

- Bruce Wayne's broken back.

- Hugh Glass surviving the bear attack.

- Ethan Hunt's entire underwater scene in Rogue Nation.

[BidetoftheDead]

Yea when I was watching that entire scene of Quill and Gamora I couldn't stop laughing because it's so clean that space doesn't work like that, both of them would've been dead in a second if they went into space unprotected. I guess people think it's the same as floating in water which is just nonsensical.

[Jeb_CC]

You two are starting to make me uncomfortable...

 

I'm sorry. I'll behave.

[Seattleite]

Because it's a fun "what if"?

 

This is a pretty bad argument, seeing as most people don't realise it's not actually something that can occur. And it's important, because some people not only believe it can occur but that it does occur, and pushed this belief onto others to help pass extremely harmful legislation, here in the United States, and while that legislation has been repealed the myth remains to this day, with the same bullshit explanation. See below, towards the bottom of this post, for more detail.

 

Because people actually enjoy the movie?

 

Here's the deal. Let's say we're having an absolutely wonderful day hanging out, we're having a good time, then I punch you in the face for no reason whatsoever. Even if the day was overall a good one, does that at all change the fact that I punched you in the face?

 

Why do you always assume the worse?

 

Because I don't have to assume a damn thing. Most people DO BELIEVE THAT, it is NOT in question that most people believe it, that is ABSOLUTELY the case. Look at the 10% of the brain thing. 65% of Americans ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT, according to a survey done by the Michael J Fox Foundation. 65% of people believe this myth because it's repeated over and over again in television, movies, advertisements, everywhere. And it's actually based on a mis-quote of a philosopher in 1908 who really just said humans weren't living up to their potentials and could do a lot more with their lives. (An indisputable point, I might add.)

 

This myth ALSO causes real-world harm, if on a much smaller scale. It's a myth pushed by many scammers claiming their product will "unlock" more of your brain. Con men are scamming poor people out of what little money they have using this myth.

 

If you're going to bitch about something as minor as people vaporizing (when they shouldn't) and "people believing it to be true" then why not bitch about gamma radiation turning someone into a giant green hulking monster, every time they get angry?

 

Because that is explicitly stated to be fantasy in the premise of the movie, and is called into question in the Marvel Universe by the same being that explained to Peter Parker that his powers were not caused by radiation. It also doesn't bother me when wizards and magic are involved in a setting, because that is ALSO explicitly part of the setting's fantasy. Nobody watches that and thinks that radiation can actually turn them into the hulk.

 

Somebody being vaporised without a massive explosion is not addressed as magic or part of the fantasy of the universe, they treat it as something plausible and in fact not even noteworthy, leading the audience to believe it is. It's so widely believed in the real world that this is a thing that is physically possible and actually occurs that it has had to be debunked many, MANY times. Treating it as something that can happen is only going to further the pervasive belief that it does happen.

 

I'm sure there are kids out there who believe that to be true. These movies are fiction, they're not real, why can't they have fun with how they handle explosions, vaporization, or whatever? They weren't made to edjumacate people.

 

Because, again, people actually believe it. Not kids, ADULTS believe this shit, when they should KNOW BETTER. Just like how many people believe the 10% myth, many people believe that human bodies can be so easily destroyed without any damage to what's around them. This is ACTIVELY making the American public EVEN DUMBER, by presenting complete lunacy as plausible without so much as a handwave. What part of "I'm pissed because people BELIEVE IT" do you not understand? Oh, all of it, because you specifically ignored that part to strawman my position? Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

And this DOES matter. This is also a key player in the spontaneous human combustion myth. People actually believe that people can just spontaneously burst into flames and are completely incinerated in seconds without damaging anything around them, and blame liquor for it. People legitimately believe that alcoholism can make you magically combust into non-existence with no damage to the surrounding area. It was an even more pervasive myth back in the day, when it was part of the propaganda against liquor and partially contributed to prohibition of alcohol in the United States. (Not as much as the church, though many in the church used fabricated anecdotes of alcoholics spontaneously combusting as part of their rhetoric.) And one of the main things keeping that myth afloat today are obviously fake images floating around on the internet of supposed remains of people who combusted, with no damage to the surrounding area (which has always been a key part of the myth).

 

Movies and television are not helping by treating myths people actually believe as plausible, they are just spreading the misinformation further, and treating misinformation that has already caused immense harm as harmless is extremely, impossibly daft.

[Vapymid]

You two are starting to make me uncomfortable...

 

Sorry. We were just fooling around... As Jeb said, we'll behave...

 

Regards

[Heliocentrical]

@Seattleite have you heard of H.R 642? H.R 642 is a bill that was introduced recently to congress that's trying to get magic to become recognized as a "rare and valuable art form and national treasure". What a magnificent time to be alive in, truly. https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/642